Excuse the silly title, but I was browsing astronomy pics on YouTube when I stumbled across this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YiOSKCMSe4&NR

If you forward to 2.05 you will see a jet aircraft streak across the pic, seemingly very close to our lunar companion. Is this a fake, a perspective trick, or a real high altitude jet? I thought this might be the right place to seek out expert opinions?

Thank you

Jenni

Considering the vast difference in scale between the moon and a jet, I'm not sure why you think that was close at all?

Welcome to the BAUT forum, Jenni. Needless to say, expert opinion is that there are no jet aircraft on the Moon. Even "high-altitude" jets don't work real well in the vacuum of space. If they did, we wouldn't need a Shuttle ;-)

The video is a hoax ;-)

Can this be moved to the conspiracy theory section.

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Did you watch it? Unless you have some reason to believe otherwise, it looks to me like it was a ground-based camera that happened to have a jet fly overhead. No hoax that I can see.

Edit: reading the description attached to the video... that's exactly what happened.

Unless that was a 500 mile long jet, i'd guess it's about 220000 miles closer to the camera than the moon is.

It looks plausible. I think there was a discussion about such pictures somewhere on these forums. For example, here's a picture taken during a lunar eclipse:

http://hea-www.harvard.edu/hrc.ARCHI...her/index.html

You can also google image for "moon plane", I don't guarantee that each one is genuine though.

"Hoax" in that it is not a jet flying in close proximity to the moon, and if it is being passed off as such it is a hoax.

Not "Hoax" in that it must have been done at Lucas Arts renderfarm

Yes, I watched the video, but didn't have any good ideas what it was (that you did very well) which is why I refrained from posting any speculation.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

Apologies if my reaction was a little much - it's just that hoax implied intent, and I don't think anybody was actually trying to "pass it off" as such.

No worries, mate. Internet boards are notoriously hard to communitcate subtleties on Cheers

As usual lately, I could have been a little clearer. I MUST work on that

I admit that while I did watch the video, I didn't read the description or comments, and merely took the word of the OP as to the intent of the video - bad form on my part to not at least read the page.

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"I have this theory that the Apollo missions were faked when NASA found out that general relativity was wrong because the Earth was expanding due to the Sun's iron core being influenced by magnetic waves from the electric universe after being perturbed by Planet X and thereby causing global warming. Where should I start a thread about this?" ~ ToSeek

"Those are the people that wonder how a thermos knows whether to keep something hot or keep something cold." ~ NeoWatcher

"So there I was on the Moom in my F86 with my helmet off and the canopy slid back; and I called out' CLEAR ' ! and pressed the starter button.......
and nothing happened, except for the spool-up to about 1100 rpm, and then the battery went dead."
Oh...by the way: try rockets.
Jenni, you need air, which also contains oxygen which we compress in large quantities and then mix with fuel and then the exhaust blows out the power turbine and exits the rear ,hot and in a hurry. The highest a jet engine has performed is about 110,000 feet above earth. And you have to be going about 3000 miles per hour to scoop up enough air to keep the jet engine running. I hope this serves you as an explanation. Jet engines only operate within an atmosphere.
Best regards, Dan

Moved from ATM section.

Yes. Thank you for stating the bleeding obvious.

There seem to be two differing opinions in the responses to my OP, patronising nonsense aside. Some seem to think it's a hoax because the aircraft appears close to the moon, and therefore could not fly in the thin atmosphere.
Others seem to think that it was a ground based camera. If this is the case, then there must be some form of perspective trick going down? As per one of my suggestions in the OP.
Thank you. I'll check this out.

I wouldn't even call it a perspective trick - the plane and the moon were in the same direction, but that doesn't mean the plane is actually anywhere near the moon physically. Keep in mind that the moon is a few thousand kilometers across - if that plane actually were anywhere near it, it would be too small to show up in that video.

I lean towards this view, but some seem to think it was a hoax!

Not by anybody in this thread

I'm sorry I don't mean this to be an Ad Hom or anything but I honestly don't see how any one could watch that and think it was a jet on or anywhere the moon. It was pretty obvious to me what it was.

I will echo spacemanspiff's sentiments. I don't know how one could watch that and think that anything out of the ordinary was going on. It is neither a fake nor a perspective trick and I don't even think there is anything special about the altitude.

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No trick, no hoax, no fake; no plane near the Moon. Just a plane flying thru the field of view of someone filming the Moon.

I suppose if someone had no knowledge of the size or distance to the Moon, and a very low level of knowledge about airplanes, they might be decieved.

So yeah, an early homonid seeing the craft of early alien visitors crossing in front of the Moon might be led to believe the craft was close to the Moon when in fact it was about to land in their backyard, build a pyramid, and abduct them.

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I hear sirens in the general direction of Gillianren's current whereabouts.

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Having lived near an airport for a number of years, such a sight was pretty common when observing the Moon. The really cool ones were when the jet was at high altitude, perhaps in a holding pattern, and could be seen as a relatively small silhouette for a few seconds against the bright lunar background.

Now if the video were of Amazon Women on the Moon, you'd really have something there!

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