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Old 17-January-2007, 05:22 PM
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you have to add a language to your operating system. since I am taking classes in español I need the keyboard.
No, you don't. You just need to use the Character Map accessory.

ñ

See, there it is.

EDIT: Granted, if you expect to be typing a lot of such characters, adding it to the keyboard would - in the long run - be easier. But it's not necessary.
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Old 18-January-2007, 01:32 PM
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Hold down "Alt" while pressing some numbers in the number key section on the right side of your keyboard, then release "Alt". Depending on which numbers you hit, a character will appear on your screen then, almost no matter which program you're using.

¿ 168
¡ 173
Ñ 165
ñ 164
á 160
É 144
é 130
í 161
ó 162
ú 163
ü 129

(These are all part of a 256-character cycle that repeats, so each character would also be produced by the above number plus 256 or a multiple of 256...)
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Old 18-January-2007, 10:04 PM
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What are you talking about? We spell vice "vice." It's vise that we spell "vise."

There are two words spelled v-i-c-e (one is a thing for clamping a piece of work, the other is a bad habit such as smoking). There is no word spelled v-i-s-e.

At least, that's the way it is over here.
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Old 18-January-2007, 10:07 PM
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ñ you can copy this one.


you have to add a language to your operating system. since I am taking classes in español I need the keyboard.
Or hold down Alt and type 164 on your numeral pad: ñ

I think you may need NumLock on.

Edited to add: D'oh! I posted before I spotted Delvo's post 2 above this one.
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There are two words spelled v-i-c-e (one is a thing for clamping a piece of work, the other is a bad habit such as smoking). There is no word spelled v-i-s-e.

At least, that's the way it is over here.
I know that, silly. Hence the smiley.

Over here, "vice" is the bad habit and "vise" is the clamp.
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No, you don't. You just need to use the Character Map accessory.

ñ

See, there it is.

EDIT: Granted, if you expect to be typing a lot of such characters, adding it to the keyboard would - in the long run - be easier. But it's not necessary.
Not even that, you can just go to the How do I make exponents and Greek letters? sticky in About BAUT and copy them from there.
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Old 19-January-2007, 09:06 PM
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I know that, silly. Hence the smiley.

Over here, "vice" is the bad habit and "vise" is the clamp.
I guessed. I had to bite, though.
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OK, I'll concede "chili" if you concede colour, honour, fervour, aluminium, vice, envisage, the plant oilseed rape (not canola!), the small bird called a tit (not chickadee!), and, hold on a sec, I need to go and look a few up...
If you're bringing birds into the discussion then it's ON! Only the non-crested New World Paridae are chickadees, the crested ones are titmice (you would know why they're called chickadees if you had ever heard one calling). And will you please stop calling Troglodytes troglodytes just the "Wren." It's the "Winter Wren." Sure, it's the only wren you've got, but we have (at least) nine of 'em.

I'll give you rapeseed, though. "Canola" always sounded made-up to me.
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do you say neither as in

neether or nyther
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neether or nyther
For this word (and "either") I follow the German pronunciation principle*, on the basis that English was once a Germanic language. Thus, "neither" I pronounce "nytha". My understanding, however, is that either pronunciation is considered acceptable in most circles these days.

Like the "t" in "often". Originally, it was silent, yet the word is pronounced with the "t" enunciated more often than not.

* "ei" is always pronounced "aye", and "ie" is always pronounced "ee".
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Old 21-January-2007, 03:16 PM
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Bourbon is whiskey.But not all whiskeys are bourbon.
True. And there's whiskey and whisky.

All Scotch is whisky, but not all whisky is Scotch.

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If you're bringing birds into the discussion then it's ON! Only the non-crested New World Paridae are chickadees, the crested ones are titmice (you would know why they're called chickadees if you had ever heard one calling). And will you please stop calling Troglodytes troglodytes just the "Wren." It's the "Winter Wren." Sure, it's the only wren you've got, but we have (at least) nine of 'em.

I'll give you rapeseed, though. "Canola" always sounded made-up to me.
Agreed. Mostly.
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For this word (and "either") I follow the German pronunciation principle*, on the basis that English was once a Germanic language. Thus, "neither" I pronounce "nytha". My understanding, however, is that either pronunciation is considered acceptable in most circles these days.

Like the "t" in "often". Originally, it was silent, yet the word is pronounced with the "t" enunciated more often than not.

* "ei" is always pronounced "aye", and "ie" is always pronounced "ee".

well, the German rule certainly applies in the German language, but English is less logical (albeit simplier).

How do you pronounce science, neighbor, weigh, ceiling, receive, their, foreign, being, weird, vein, seize


oops, English has more exceptions than rules. And I always us the t in often, especially when I speak German, but then the word is oft
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[edit]Thus, "neither" I pronounce "nytha"....
"Wow, that pronunciation sounds real awkward!" says Curly. "Nyuk, nyuk!" (gets poked in the eye by Moe, Curly retaliates, misses Moe and pokes Larry in the eye).

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oops, English has more exceptions than rules. And I always us the t in often, especially when I speak German, but then the word is oft
Well, it all depends on where the word came from, how it became assimilated into English, and what its usage has been since.

As I said, for "either" and "neither", I follow the German pronunciation of the "ei" group, but that's not the only way to do it.

"Science" contains a distinct group ("-ence") that has a (nearly) constant value, and is a separate syllable from the stem "sci-".

"Neighbour" and "weigh" contain a group ("-eigh-") that only has two values (think of neigh and height).

"Ceiling" and "receive" follow the "i before e except after c" rule for the "ee" sound.

"Being" comes from adding the "-ing" suffix to the verb stem "be" to form a present participle, hence the pronunciation comes from the verb and the suffix.

"Their" comes from Old Norse; "foreign" and "seize" come from Old French; "weird" is adapted from the Old English wyrd (which has relatives in many old Germanic languages); and "vein" comes from Latin via Old French. So all the different pronunciations have different roots.

Edited to add: The word "often" was originally "oft" in Old English (a Germanic language), but became "often" in Middle English (there's that French influence again). "Oft" is used poetically in modern English.
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