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Old 18-January-2007, 04:44 AM
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Actually, it's more than silly, it's downright childish. I want to have the power to control that. I want to be able to tell my brain to release the right chemicals to make me happy.
I want to, too. However, it doesn't always work that way.

Have you seen someone about your depression? It sounds clinical to me, though gods know I'm not a mental health professional. I can only go from my own experience. PM me if you need to talk to someone who's been there. Who is there.
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Old 18-January-2007, 08:56 PM
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. . . though gods know I'm not a mental health professional.
So what is his hourly rate?
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Old 18-January-2007, 11:10 PM
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Happiness... what is the meaning behind this word ...its says in the wikipedia..

Happiness is an emotional or affective state that is characterized by feelings of enjoyment and satisfaction. As a state and a subject, it has been pursued and commented on extensively throughout world history. This reflects the universal importance that humans place on happiness.

thinking of the word... and asking myself ... what makes me happy?..
The coverage is huge.. it can be .. yes having material things .. having a family .. kids who smiles at you and hugs you everyday..having a sexy body or a good-looking face ....but .. after having all of those ...are we contented , satisfied ..and "happy"...?

True happiness comes from within....its priceless...
For me.. happiness ... is having inner joy.. peace in your heart... its when you finally reached the point in your life that you cannot ask for more...
You are happy with what you have in your life.....
I believe that you have got it absolutely correct!
it can truly only come from within, and for some people that is very hard to do.
no one can be totally happy all of the time, you just have to learn to back up and re-analyze yourself ,or your situation, to overcome the thoughts that keep you from bieng happy, or you will become totally miserable, depressed, angry, or a host of other emotions that are not beneficial to your self.

One thing for sure, its OK to be angry at times, anger is better than fear or sadness, as long as it doesn't go to far unchecked.
life is an up and down roller coaster ride, and it is like a box of chocolates, you never do know what your going to get, but think of it this way, you always get to eat the candy, be it bitter or sweet, and things will always change each time you make a choice, there is the beauty of the whole thing we call life.
just my opinion, but thats how I keep myself sane and happy when things are not going well.
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Old 19-January-2007, 12:43 AM
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"I want to be able to tell my brain to release the right chemicals to make me happy."

Yes, I would love that too... The ability to feel emotional without having to swing off the edge either way. I'd be a much better artist!

When people ask me about my state of "happiness", I ask them to define the word, because unless they just read that Wiki definition, I'm not sure they know what they are asking.

I'm happy when I hear my kids laughing together, it provides me with the satisfaction that I have done well as a parent, one of my biological and percieved social roles. Other than a chemical imbalance, and the hinderances it has cause in my life, I have no reason not to be happy.

My hobbies make me happy, and sharing my knowledge and talents with others makes me happy.

A nice motorbike would make me happy too.... but not before the kids' college tuition is paid up!

I think that feeling needed and wanted, having a sense of belonging, is crucial to inner happiness. Taking from society, and giving back... and maintaining a balance between those states.

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Old 19-January-2007, 04:16 PM
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I believe that you have got it absolutely correct!
it can truly only come from within, and for some people that is very hard to do.
I would add that the opposite (sadness comes from within) is also true.

This lines up with my beliefs that emotional states are all self-created, that self worth based on outside sources is a very unhealthy approach to self worth, and that if validation from others is an important part of a person's life - they are in big trouble.

It's a setup for sheeplike behavior, for being highly vulnerable to peer pressure, for engaging in boatloads of unhealthy behavior, for constantly seeing yourself as the victim of others or of circumstances, and on and on.

If there were only one skill I could give to my children, it would be the ability to self-examine on a regular basis. Ask who you are, where you are going, how will you get there, what do you believe, will my beliefs lead to behaviors that meet my needs, etc. Do this regularly and honestly, and life becomes an adventure instead of a task list.
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Old 19-January-2007, 05:17 PM
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I would add that the opposite (sadness comes from within) is also true.

This lines up with my beliefs that emotional states are all self-created, that self worth based on outside sources is a very unhealthy approach to self worth, and that if validation from others is an important part of a person's life - they are in big trouble.

It's a setup for sheeplike behavior, for being highly vulnerable to peer pressure, for engaging in boatloads of unhealthy behavior, for constantly seeing yourself as the victim of others or of circumstances, and on and on.

If there were only one skill I could give to my children, it would be the ability to self-examine on a regular basis. Ask who you are, where you are going, how will you get there, what do you believe, will my beliefs lead to behaviors that meet my needs, etc. Do this regularly and honestly, and life becomes an adventure instead of a task list.
I was lucky enough to have a mother that taught us that,her credo was "Only YOU can make YOU happy".

I have a sign in my music room:
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Old 19-January-2007, 07:50 PM
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One of the things that makes me happier is getting sympathy from friends when things are bad.
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Sympathy is alright, solutions are much better.
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Sympathy is alright, solutions are much better.
Really? Solve my problems, then. Bring my boyfriend home and fix my brain chemistry. Sometimes, there aren't solutions; sometimes, the solutions would cause more problems. I mean, one of my friends could kick her obnoxious roommate out, but she'd be stuck paying his share of rent until she could find a replacement for him, and she can only mostly afford to pay her own!
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Old 20-January-2007, 12:07 AM
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Lots of things can make you happy but only
one thing makes you unhappy. Other people!
But you have to make an effort. People working
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Old 20-January-2007, 12:32 AM
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One of the things that makes me happier is getting sympathy from friends when things are bad.
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Old 20-January-2007, 03:36 AM
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Lots of things can make you happy but only
one thing makes you unhappy. Other people!
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together achieve great things.
That's not true.

Look, people, I'd love to just be cheerful all the time. But I can't blame my unhappiness on other people, or even concious behavior on my own part. And again, there is no solution to some of my unhappiness--even that which isn't produced by random chemical interaction in my brain.

Graham is in Iraq. Graham will continue to be in Iraq until at least summer. He's not in control of that, and neither am I. There is no solution. But it's nice to have my friends be sympathetic to my plight. Is being sad about it whining? And how am I supposed to rethink a solution when there isn't one?
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That's not true.

Look, people, I'd love to just be cheerful all the time. But I can't blame my unhappiness on other people, or even concious behavior on my own part. And again, there is no solution to some of my unhappiness--even that which isn't produced by random chemical interaction in my brain.

Graham is in Iraq. Graham will continue to be in Iraq until at least summer. He's not in control of that, and neither am I. There is no solution. But it's nice to have my friends be sympathetic to my plight. Is being sad about it whining? And how am I supposed to rethink a solution when there isn't one?
The solution to your whining .. dont dwell on it. Its your choice whether to be sad or not.

I myself ,have the same situation as yours .
At least for you , you know when he will come back.
Mine, I dont know. But I am happy because I choose to be happy.
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The solution to your whining .. dont dwell on it. Its your choice whether to be sad or not.
I'm genuinely sorry, Whirlpool, but it's a bit too late in my night to come up with a tactful way of saying this: You really don't know what you're talking about in this matter.

I'm willing to give you the benefit of some doubt and assume your not intentionally being offensive, but you need to understand that your statement is the moral equivalent of telling an amputee to "just walk it off".

[Edit to add: I'm omitting the rest of what I'd like to say as unnecessarily hostile.]
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This lines up with my beliefs that emotional states are all
self-created, that self worth based on outside sources is a very
unhealthy approach to self worth, and that if validation from others
is an important part of a person's life - they are in big trouble.
Those who are autistic or sociopathic would appear to embody
this aspect of your philosophy perfectly. The most salient
feature of both conditions is that the people afflicted don't
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Old 20-January-2007, 04:53 AM
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I am generally very happy - happier than I have in a long while.

I am living a dream being here in Japan and teaching IB Physics - the hard work (not luck) has paid off.

Getting to travel and see, experience and witness sites and events brings me happiness - as does music and good movies
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I'm genuinely sorry, Whirlpool, but it's a bit too late in my night to come up with a tactful way of saying this: You really don't know what you're talking about in this matter.

I'm willing to give you the benefit of some doubt and assume your not intentionally being offensive, but you need to understand that your statement is the moral equivalent of telling an amputee to "just walk it off".

[Edit to add: I'm omitting the rest of what I'd like to say as unnecessarily hostile.]
Thank you for being tactful, Moose.

I dont have intentions to offend, I may have overlooked the moral effect.....

I apologize Gillianren..

And for the case that I dont know what I'm talking about in this matter....

I very well do...

Being happy or being sad as the opposite, are very well depends on our choice .

its like this ...
" Im craving for brownies today, but mom baked cookies instead of brownies... will I be sad? Yes .. bec I choose to be sad that I'm eating cookies instead of brownies....but on the other hand.. I can choose to be happy....accept that .." Hey.. cookies are good to.....brownies can wait ...Thanks Mom!"...

Its a matter of how you look and deal with life...

I may sited a simple example but I hope you see my point....
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Old 20-January-2007, 05:14 AM
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No. You don't know what you're talking about.

First of all, look up "bipolar disorder." Go. Do that, then get back to me. I was diagnosed with it in seventh grade. I am currently taking Effexor, 150 mg, which isn't helping yet but might. Or might not. If it doesn't, we start over. Again. Like we did after the Zoloft, the Paxil, the Celexa, the Wellbutrin, and the Prozac. The Wellbutrin, by the way, gave me mood swings that lasted exactly twenty minutes--while I was trying to be professional at ren faire.

Second, perhaps you didn't get this. My boyfriend is in a war zone. He could die at any time. Even if he doesn't, he's away. He left in May, and he gets back in summer for two weeks--probably--then back for good in November--probably. If they don't extend his tour. Which they might. He wouldn't be the only person they've done it to.

"Choose to be happy"? Try "suppress my true emotions." I'm not happy. I'm lonely. I miss him so much it physically hurts. He misses me, too. I go on with my life, and I enjoy spending time with my friends. I go to movies. I watch DVDs. I talk to you guys. And I take my pills every night, because maybe someday, they'll do some good.
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