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Old 25-January-2007, 08:39 PM
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I found on some guy's website what appears to an image of aircraft. I do not recognize the aircraft, even though I am quite the aviation enthusiast. Googling the file name of the image leads to information about a secret airforce space plane named BlackStar.

The image appears to show an aircraft with no wings, suggesting a lifting body design - further supporting the hypothesis that this is a legitimate picture of BlackStar.

http://www.gregburch.net/orbiter/Blackstar03.jpg
http://www.gregburch.net/orbiter/Blackstar06.jpg

So, I'm here to argue that this image is one of the following:

1. a fake, done in photoshop or other program
2. a photo of a secret aircraft.

This thread is in against the mainstream because the Occam's Razor explanation is that this is an ordinary, well-known aircraft. I am prepared to shoot down (pun intended) any arguments as to which well-known aircraft it might be.

And also, this is just bugging me. I'd like to know what this thing is!
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Old 25-January-2007, 08:47 PM
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If you follow the lines of the contrails, they don't seem to line up with the bright spots, that presumably would be the exhaust of the engines. the lines seem above and below each other and the exhaust spots seem side-by-side.
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Old 25-January-2007, 08:51 PM
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Yep, I agree. That's good evidence that it's a fake.
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Old 25-January-2007, 08:59 PM
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That looks like a commecial jetliner. Those two glowing spots are hiding what would be the portside wing as seen from the starboard aft on the ground.
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Old 25-January-2007, 09:06 PM
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That looks like a commecial jetliner. Those two glowing spots are hiding what would be the portside wing as seen from the starboard aft on the ground.
I'm having trouble seeing what you're seeing. Can you possibly use MS Paint to trace the original outline of the aircraft?
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Old 25-January-2007, 09:08 PM
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To be honest, the second photo look like a Mig 29 from the rear. With the added contrails (which don't match the aircraft, as Amber Root pointed out).
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Old 25-January-2007, 09:12 PM
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The size of the rudders certainly makes it look like one of, MiG 25, MiG 31, or F-15. To me, that explaination is *far* more likely than Doodlers.

So the next question is, where are the wings? If this is a MiG or an F-15, the wings should be visible from this angle. Also, given the size of the rudder than engines, it is clearly too short to be any of those aircraft.

So, if the source pic was a MiG or an F-15, it has been altered (thus it is a fake).

This isn't actual proof that it's a fake though.
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Old 25-January-2007, 09:20 PM
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I drew a line from through the contrails to show that they don't line up with the engines.

I guess this closes the book on it. It's a fake.
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Old 25-January-2007, 09:28 PM
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He has several images of 3D renderings of aircraft and spacecraft, several of which look like an orbiter/lifting body type craft. He likes to use Poser, Bryce, and Photoshop. Hmmm...
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Old 25-January-2007, 11:17 PM
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Moved from ATM to OTBB.
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Old 25-January-2007, 11:27 PM
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I can't find anywhere on his site where he claims that this is a secret aircraft? He's well known in the Orbiter community for his addons (www.orbitersim.com), i'm inclined to think that this may be something he was playing around with for an Orbiter project.
Unless of course I missed the page where he does claim a CT re these shots.
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Old 25-January-2007, 11:33 PM
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IMO, this is not a fake. Though there's only one guy who recognized the pic for what it was:

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That looks like a commecial jetliner. Those two glowing spots are hiding what would be the portside wing as seen from the starboard aft on the ground.
The left vertical tail IS the vertical tail of the airliner, the right vertical tail actually is the right wing. Imagine it was turning to the left, hence with the right wing up in the air. You can't see the left wing due to the reflections.

When I opened the first pic, I thought "wrong link, this is an airliner?" It's just a matter of seeing the image one way or the other. My eyes picked the airliner interpretation as first choice.

Had tofu extended the short line up to the right wing and made the long line shorter, they would point at both engines of the jetliner.
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Old 26-January-2007, 12:27 AM
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That's my take on it. Its REAL low resolution, so some details are missing in the extreme blow up.
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Old 26-January-2007, 01:25 AM
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So what's with the lights that look as if they were in a fore-aft arrangement under the rear half of the plane's belly? I know it could be a mirage or some other such atomspheric optical weirdness faking us out (and jets don't normally have glowy bits down there), but then, what would the original source be? Car headlights on the ground nearby to the photographer?
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Old 26-January-2007, 02:39 AM
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The lights or flashes could be a test of the new air defense system against ground fired missiles (or photo shop).
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Old 26-January-2007, 03:39 AM
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i couldnt see squat- maybe its my computer? too dark... So i hit invert color on MSPaint....


Looking at this- im not seeing what Nicholas described anymore...
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Old 26-January-2007, 04:28 AM
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So what's with the lights that look as if they were in a fore-aft arrangement under the rear half of the plane's belly? I know it could be a mirage or some other such atomspheric optical weirdness faking us out (and jets don't normally have glowy bits down there), but then, what would the original source be? Car headlights on the ground nearby to the photographer?
Photo doctoring.
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...Googling the file name of the image leads to information about a secret airforce space plane named BlackStar...
Teeny-tiny pic:
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...Lockheed was the lead contractor for Blackstar orbiters being fabricated at McDonnell Douglas in the early 1990s... AviationWeek
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Old 26-January-2007, 09:29 AM
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The flashes could simply be sun reflecction, right? It wouldn't be the first time I saw an aircraft shining in the sun. I don't think there's done any relevant altering to the pic.

Doodler: your pic is how I interpreted it as well, roughly. I think you can see one of the engine pods, so your wings might be slightly out of place, but that's the general idea.
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Old 26-January-2007, 09:30 AM
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Teeny-tiny pic:
Note that this pic shows both craft of the supposed system, ie both the ""valkyrie like carrier and the black star vehicle itself. Also note that there isn't really evidence for this system.
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Old 26-January-2007, 09:32 AM
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i couldnt see squat- maybe its my computer? too dark... So i hit invert color on MSPaint....
I can strongly recommend going to a monitor calibration website and do some tweaking, it will make your life on the PC more pleasant. After all, you paid for your monitor so you want it to perform optimally. Suddenly many pics will reveal lots more detail.
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