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Old 16-February-2007, 09:41 PM
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Don't forget alcohol and tobacco.
Or caffeine. In pill form, they can be dangerous if you OD. If they were made illegal, you'd never know what they would be cut with, or what dosage you'd be taking.
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Or caffeine. In pill form, they can be dangerous if you OD. If they were made illegal, you'd never know what they would be cut with, or what dosage you'd be taking.
Heh, you do realize tobacco has always been legal and its only just now we're finding out what its been cut with and in what dosages by the Tobacco Industry?



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Legality is nice, regulation is much better.
Good point. However, I'd say that tobacco, while it will kill you, certainly takes quite a long time before it actually does at the least. You don't have to worry about, say, a heart attack every three packs or so.
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How would society change if there was a synthetic aphrodisiac?

Science and Goverments will fail as nerds have something more important to do besides study and research.
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yeah i have been wondering about this thread.
As if the world really needed any help in this area...
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Neverfly, you mean you've never heard of the population implosion?

I have two parents, four grandparents and eight grandparents. So you see the population is winnowing away to nothing.
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Neverfly, you mean you've never heard of the population implosion?

I have two parents, four grandparents and eight grandparents. So you see the population is winnowing away to nothing.
I think to determine if the population is imploding, you'd look the other way. In other words, it's not how many parents & grandparents you have, it's how many offspring they've created. Even if you are an only child, if your 4 grandparents created you and 37 cousins, it's not an implosion. Well, maybe just locally for your parents.
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Earth population has increased by a billion people in ten years

BUT that has nothing to do with my point... which doesnt necessarily relate to the offspring as much as the obssession people and the media seem to suffer from with the ACT of creating such offspring and cramming it in my face in every newspaper, movie, grocery checkout line, book, internet website and writing in the sky.
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Farmer, Jeez mon! I'm far from an only child. 2nd of 6. You guys don't have jokes in Wisconsin? Gimme your address, I'll mail you some.
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D'oh! thanks Van Rijn, I'd left them off the shopping list
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Bremelanotide (formerly PT-141) is the generic term for a new medication for use in treating sexual dysfunction in men (erectile dysfunction or impotence) as well as sexual dysfunction in women (sexual arousal disorder). It is the only known synthetic aphrodisiac. Unlike Viagra and other related medications, it does not act upon the vascular system, but directly increases sexual desire. Bremelanotide is a spray introduced nasally.

Originally, the peptide Melanotan II that bremelanotide was developed from was tested as a sunless tanning agent. In initial testing, Melanotan II did induce tanning but additionally caused sexual arousal and spontaneous erections as unexpected side effects in eight out of the ten original male volunteer test subjects. In clinical studies, bremelanotide has been shown to be effective in treating male sexual and erectile dysfunction as well as female sexual dysfunction. It is currently being tested by Palatin Technologies.

Bremelanotide is a cyclic hepta-peptide lactam analog of alpha-melanocyte-stimulating hormone (alpha-MSH) that activates the melanocortin receptors MC3-R and MC4-R in the central nervous system. It has the amino acid sequence Ac-Nle-cyclo[Asp-His-D-Phe-Arg-Trp-Lys]-OH or cyclo-[Nle4, Asp5, D-Phe7, Lys10]alpha-MSH-(4-10). PT-141 is a metabolite of Melanotan II that lacks the C-terminal amide function. Its molecular forumla is C50H68N14O10 with a molecular weight of 1025.2.

A Phase III clinical trial will begin in the first half of 2007.

Uhhh.. I think the society will accept if there is an increase in sexual dysfunction for men .

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Do you think this is going to be a good thing or a bad thing? If you're not already attracted to someone, why would you *want* to take a drug that would make you attracked to them?
Well if you are a person that has high appetite on sex (on MIND) and you have a dysfunction (physical defect), this is a good thing for those who have good intentions, especially when you like someone and can be if dont like a person.



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I Don't see how its a "good" thing... If they have a high appetite- and use an Aphrodesiac?!?!
Besides, the potential user would most likely use it on OTHER people.

Like date rape etc.

It amazes me how people are so quick to turn to a "drug"...
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Keep in mind, I never said X was the worst drug out there, nor the most dangerous. Just that it is very dangerous. So is heroine. Coke. Crack. Meth. Etc. I am very anti-drug though, so feel free to argue away but you won't be chaning my opinion
Don't forget alcohol and tobacco.
'oh! thanks Van Rijn, I'd left them off the shopping list
That's some shopping list!
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Personally I think the big change will come when we have animatronic women for such purposes.
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To dwell on One side of the coin- and not pay attention to the other side- is MORE than just dishonorable...
It is destructive.

There is More to the picture to make it complete. For those who would try to fullfill themselves with a drug, or an animatronic device, they will only be alone and hurting.

A person must other refrain from becoming involved or accpet the complete picture.
That includes commitment, sacrifice, judgement calls, a lot of work and responsibilty.

In trying to have your cake and eat it too, you begin losing perspective of true value and reality. It affects your judgement on MANY levels- not just relationships.

If more people learned what really matters at a younger age- if more people practiced responsible living and healthy relationships- we would see a decrease in drug and alcohol abuse.
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Uhhh.. I think the society will accept if there is an increase in sexual dysfunction for men . ...
Nah. for those poor unfortunates, there's Smilin' Bob!

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