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Old 15-March-2007, 07:18 PM
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Billion-dollar US Submarine Dissapears Overnight

How long until people start claiming that it showed up breifly in some port in NY, only to return to florida in a green haze with sailors melded into the metal and wandering the halls dazed and mortally ill?
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Billion-dollar US submarine disappears overnight for several hours.


First thought: make up your mind. Was it several hours, or overnight?

Second thought: Is the adjectival cost always necessary (e.g., the $800 million Cassini spacecraft)? Does anybody think the US Navy gets their submarines from one of those cable TV ads for $29.95? Second one free if you act RIGHT NOW!
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Old 15-March-2007, 07:42 PM
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Billion-dollar US submarine disappears overnight for several hours.


First thought: make up your mind. Was it several hours, or overnight?

Second thought: Is the adjectival cost always necessary (e.g., the $800 million Cassini spacecraft)? Does anybody think the US Navy gets their submarines from one of those cable TV ads for $29.95? Second one free if you act RIGHT NOW!
"Billion Dollar Submarine" means it was an attack sub. If it were WWIII in a Can, they'd have called it a "Nuclear Armed Submarine".

They just picked their superlatives for appropriate sensationalist rankling.
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Sensationalism, not relavance or accuracy, is the lifeblood of news media. Average Joe Schmo hears "Navy loses communication with submarine for a few hours" (which is what happened) he thinks "So what?"

But say "Billion dollar sub lost overnight!" and he thinks "They spent a BILLION dollars of MY tax money (yeah like he's paid a billion dollars in taxes) and then can't even keep track of it?!" and suddenly it's water-cooler fodder. The trick is in the penmenship.
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Aren't they supposed to dissappear?

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Ah, I see. Now that I read the article, it is mostly just poor reporting. At least it shows that even our own navy, looking in the right spot, cant see one of our own subs
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First thought: make up your mind. Was it several hours, or overnight?
Overnight isn't several hours?
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Billion-dollar US submarine disappears overnight for several hours.


First thought: make up your mind. Was it several hours, or overnight?

Second thought: Is the adjectival cost always necessary (e.g., the $800 million Cassini spacecraft)? Does anybody think the US Navy gets their submarines from one of those cable TV ads for $29.95? Second one free if you act RIGHT NOW!
Shows how much we value the sailors. If it was some "cheap" Navy cargo ship with a couple hundred sailors, who would care.
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There's a label on the uniform of every soldier, regardless of national origin.

It reads "Expendable". You weren't under the impression that "die for your country" was hyperbole, were you?
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Overnight isn't several hours?
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Communications with the submarine were first lost at 7 p.m. Tuesday and were finally re-established by 5 a.m. today
That's 10 hours for missing sub.
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Arrrgh! I concede! Even though either one would have been adequate.

Oh, well. 'Mistakes were made'.
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There's a label on the uniform of every soldier, regardless of national origin.

It reads "Expendable". You weren't under the impression that "die for your country" was hyperbole, were you?
Not at all. I would just hope the news media would have more concern for the potential 100+ people that were missing, not the cost of the sub.
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"Billion Dollar Submarine" means it was an attack sub. If it were WWIII in a Can, they'd have called it a "Nuclear Armed Submarine".

They just picked their superlatives for appropriate sensationalist rankling.
Well, the San Juan is an SSN, so it is an attack sub and not a boomer, but that doesn't mean it's not nuclear armed. Though you probably will not get anyone to officially confirm or deny that.
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Well, the San Juan is an SSN, so it is an attack sub and not a boomer, but that doesn't mean it's not nuclear armed. Though you probably will not get anyone to officially confirm or deny that.
My little brother's a submariner on an LA class boat, he's technically not allowed to confirm the existance of a nuclear reactor on board.
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Friend's uncle is a nuclear engineer (dunno actual title) onboard a sub. (He's also a heck of a nice guy). Same deal tho. Altho, a nuclear engineer *probably* indicates that there's a reactor
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I'm surprised he's allowed to confirm he exists.
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Has there been any word on why/how it managed to be missing? I'm assuming it wasn't suppossed to be running silent, or else there wouldn't have been a fuss in the first place.

One could envision armed rebellion on board -- makes for good hollywood flicks (sometimes)
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Has there been any word on why/how it managed to be missing? I'm assuming it wasn't suppossed to be running silent, or else there wouldn't have been a fuss in the first place.

One could envision armed rebellion on board -- makes for good hollywood flicks (sometimes)
Apparently it's standard for them to not have radio contact, and so they schedule predetermined times to make contact with "HQ". They simply missed one of these predetermined times. Although I'm sure you'll start to see plenty of bizaar reasons theorized by those silly CT'ers.
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I’m reading “Nimitz Class” by Patrick Robinson and when I first heard the “missing” report the theme of the book brought up the worst fears. In “Nimitz” an air craft carrier disappears from the middle of a Carrier Battle Group, a suspected nuclear accident.

Conspiracy theories forum might take this one up. They missed reporting in, the sub was taken over by hostile forces who finally forced the crew to report in with the lame excuse that they forget to call. I say we make the sub surface for boarding and investigation .
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I’m reading “Nimitz Class” by Patrick Robinson and when I first heard the “missing” report the theme of the book brought up the worst fears. In “Nimitz” an air craft carrier disappears from the middle of a Carrier Battle Group, a suspected nuclear accident.

Conspiracy theories forum might take this one up. They missed reporting in, the sub was taken over by hostile forces who finally forced the crew to report in with the lame excuse that they forget to call. I say we make the sub surface for boarding and investigation .
A missing carrier and missing sub are very different scenarios. Subs are supposed to be "missing" most of the time.

But, addressing the latter point: since the communications are undoubtedly encrypted and follow certain protocols, it shouldn't be that difficult to send the equivalent of "we've been hijacked" in a way that the protagonists wouldn't know. (Unless it's a mutiny, and Gary Busey has taken over. Then Steven Seagal has to save the day)
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