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Old 11-April-2007, 06:22 PM
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what if a law were passed that limited the amount of money people could have. lets say the limit is a million. no one needs more than a million. this way all the millionnaire (multi) and billionaires would have to spend their money or give it away thus putting it back into the economy. ther money would be dispenced more evenly. giving more people a greater chance of a happy life. because the prices of alot of things will go down bc there would be more money to go around. it wouldnt just be stuck in a rich guys pocket that got lucky and invented a microchip.



is this plausable?
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Old 11-April-2007, 06:24 PM
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No. Two words:

1 - Corporations

2 - Holding companies. Many of the ultra-rich own things thru holding companies. There is no way to find out exactly what they personally own.
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Old 11-April-2007, 06:29 PM
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this way all the millionnaire (multi) and billionaires would have to spend their money[...]
Er... they do spend most of their money. They buy property. Rare is the Scrooge McDuck vault full of cash.
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what if a law were passed that limited the amount of money people could have. lets say the limit is a million. no one needs more than a million. this way all the millionnaire (multi) and billionaires would have to spend their money or give it away thus putting it back into the economy. ther money would be dispenced more evenly. giving more people a greater chance of a happy life. because the prices of alot of things will go down bc there would be more money to go around. it wouldnt just be stuck in a rich guys pocket that got lucky and invented a microchip.



is this plausable?
the money of millionaires and billionaires is in the economy already so this does not increase level of economic activity as you seem to claim but it does change distribution of course there are six billion people in the world many of them have no clean water to drink or basic food and medical needs so if money is transferred from rich people like baut membership to them then they can have better lives and this is good because why is it right for baut members to be rich only because they are lucky to be born in rich countries

so you can set the limit at five thousand dollars instead of one million this is a good idea dont you think
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Old 11-April-2007, 06:35 PM
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because the prices of alot of things will go down bc there would be more money to go around. it wouldnt just be stuck in a rich guys pocket that got lucky and invented a microchip.
is this plausable?
Obviously not. It has been tried, with nefarious results.

As for the guy who invents a microchip, donīt you think he deserves the fruits of his ingenuity?
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Old 11-April-2007, 06:37 PM
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Also, you need to consider incentive. Sometimes, considering the risks or capital required, certain advances just aren't worth going after for a million bucks. The "american dream" provides the risk-takers that society needs.

Oh, and what about savings? I'd love to retire at 40, but I'd need to have way more than a million dollars to keep me economically safe for the rest of my life. I'm not exactly in a position to save up that much by then, but I was ten years ago had I chosen to. Why deny people that choice?
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No. Two words:

1 - Corporations

2 - Holding companies. Many of the ultra-rich own things thru holding companies. There is no way to find out exactly what they personally own.


couldnt they add a foot note to the Bill before they sent it to congress?

they could point out the fact in which you stated. the footnote will say all corporations must give an envitory and taly(sp?) up the money. they could retain as much money that is needed to run the corporation but no individual shall retain more that a million dollars

with the holding companies...im not exactly sure what that is but i think i get the picture...

sence the Gov. got involved from passing this bill then the gov would have to keep tabs on the interaction between the CEO's of a company and its afilliants. any transaction that seems...Odd or outta place....then they should investigate.





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couldnt they add a foot note to the Bill before they sent it to congress?

they could point out the fact in which you stated. the footnote will say all corporations must give an envitory and taly(sp?) up the money. they could retain as much money that is needed to run the corporation but no individual shall retain more that a million dollars

with the holding companies...im not exactly sure what that is but i think i get the picture...

sence the Gov. got involved from passing this bill then the gov would have to keep tabs on the interaction between the CEO's of a company and its afilliants. any transaction that seems...Odd or outta place....then they should investigate.





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what if a law were passed that limited the amount of money people could have. lets say the limit is a million. no one needs more than a million...
Well, there goes the mega-millions jackpot lottery.
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because the prices of alot of things will go down bc there would be more money to go around.
That is the exact opposite of what would happen.

More money in circulation causes prices to go up (Inflation). That is because if everyone has more money, everyone is willing to pay more to get the limited resources.
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A Constitutional amendment of this sort was proposed some seventy years ago, as I recall. (My source is the Life commemorative issue about the 200th anniversary of the Constitution, which I no longer have on hand.) However, the limit at that time was also a million dollars. Now, I'm aware that adjusting for inflation is tricky and depends a lot on which factors you're using, but a million now is a lot less than a million then.

People like the word "million." It sounds nice and round. However, it's not remotely as much as it used to be--my mother's house and land probably values at three-quarters of a million dollars. A lot of property is worth even more. Limiting personal wealth to a million dollars is not possible, but it's also not a good idea, not least because inflation must be adjusted for.

And while vaults full of cash are rare, true, whether multimillionaires or billionaires "spend" most of their money depends greatly on your definition of "spend."
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And for the records, I really don´t think one million is too much of a money.
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And while vaults full of cash are rare, true, whether multimillionaires or billionaires "spend" most of their money depends greatly on your definition of "spend."
there are two different issues here if they do not spend it then it is available for investment and both of these activities have the effect of job creation so the argument that this increases the level of economic activity is not correct although if you are keynesian then maybe you can argue it has some temporary effect

the other issue is distribution of course to take money from rich people and to give it to poor people has effects on the lives of these people but it also reduces incentives to engage in wealth producing activities equality has its price it is trading off between two things like anything else you can have extreme equality with a larger reduction in average standard of living or you can have less equality with lower reduction in average standard of living take your pick

of course most people here are from rich countries who like to pretend they are poor so when they propose things like this they usually have the idea that everyone who is richer than they are will give money to them they do not like the idea that they are rich and should give their money to people like most in the world who are poorer than they are this is a rather convenient belief system is it not
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of course most people here are from rich countries who like to pretend they are poor so when they propose things like this they usually have the idea that everyone who is richer than they are will give money to them they do not like the idea that they are rich and should give their money to people like most in the world who are poorer than they are this is a rather convenient belief system is it not
I actually use this argument commonly when people talk about proposing any kind of law or government action regarding 'the rich'. The word 'rich' is impossible to define in any kind of objective way, which means that everyone is going to have an equally valid subjective interpretation. So I generally like to ask if they would like to have whatever law they're proposing changed so it applied to them, because they are technically wealthier than a great deal of the world's population. It tends to really get people thinking.


You've also really got to wander: What would be the short-term effects of taking away the primary form of incentive from the world's wealthiest and most powerful people and corporations?
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what if a law were passed that limited the amount of money people could have. lets say the limit is a million. no one needs more than a million. this way all the millionnaire (multi) and billionaires would have to spend their money or give it away thus putting it back into the economy. ther money would be dispenced more evenly. giving more people a greater chance of a happy life. because the prices of alot of things will go down bc there would be more money to go around. it wouldnt just be stuck in a rich guys pocket that got lucky and invented a microchip.



is this plausable?


isn't Venezuela doing this right now? I think we call that a communistic dictatorship. It hasn't worked very well in the past.
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A million dollars won't get you a house with enough money to pay the land taxes on it for the rest of your natural life, unless you're half dead already. Even me, with my rather austere tastes in living arrangements, would burn through that in about 5-10 years.
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This area has lower home prices than many other areas in California, but a pretty typical home is running in the half million range. Impressive homes on substantial land cost several million. Million dollar homes are nice, but not mansions.

You rent? If somebody owns their home and the rental property you live in, these days there is a good chance they'd be over that million dollar mark. Oops!

It's instructive to look where most of the income tax revenue is coming from in the U.S. Hint: It's those really wealthy guys. If you take away most of their wealth, you have a one time revenue glut. Next year, revenue would drop dramatically.
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Do they no longer teach economics in school?? This thread makes me very very sad.
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Sure it's possible! You just have to get the law passed by the people in charge of the system that makes them wealthy and... Oh, wait...
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