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Old 03-May-2007, 10:55 PM
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They're suggesting that what's heard on the tape is perhaps a protestor's taunt, but I don't think they're necessarily suggesting that the taunt "was mistaken for an order to fire." The guardsmen who opened fire may have not even heard the taunt, and it was merely coincidental that it occurred in close proximity to the firing.
Given the distance between the Guardsmen and the students at the time the Guardsmen opened fire, the taunt would have to have been pretty loud to have been heard at all. And that's the photos taken seconds before the Guardsmen opened fire that showed that.
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They didn't need to hear a taunt - the firing may have just coincided with it.

I think all the discussion boils down to that there's no new answers provided by the tape, as far as we know right now.

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Given the distance between the Guardsmen and the students at the time the Guardsmen opened fire, the taunt would have to have been pretty loud to have been heard at all. And that's the photos taken seconds before the Guardsmen opened fire that showed that.
Exactly. My other point is the direction of the recording equipment. The only dorm that would have caught any kind of voices would have been Prentice hall.
Here is a good diagram of the situation.
If you notice, all of the dorm windows face the parking lot where the students were.
Also, to Gillianren's point, there was quite some distance and terrain to make it very hard for the guard to hear anything.
Plus, the guard was yelling "cease" fire rather loudly and sternly...Is that on the tape also?
Again, the tape as evidence is useless.

As a side note, the statue that they indicate (really a sculpture) has a very clear and clean bullet hole in it (as seen from the guards point of view. Pretty impressive since it is at least 1/4 inch steel. Either a sign of panic, or very bad aim.

I am amused at the phrase "grassy knoll", It's the top of a rather large hill.
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As a side note, the statue that they indicate (really a sculpture) has a very clear and clean bullet hole in it (as seen from the guards point of view. Pretty impressive since it is at least 1/4 inch steel. Either a sign of panic, or very bad aim.
Or a deliberate miss. I state this only for completeness; I don't have any information about whether any of the guardsmen were shooting off target on purpose.
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Or a deliberate miss. I state this only for completeness; I don't have any information about whether any of the guardsmen were shooting off target on purpose.
Yes; you could be right (sculpture wise). Although; I have my doubts that an intentional miss would be toward such a close object. It has been documented in various links that I ran across lately, that there were shots fired directly into the ground (mentioned in my rather lengthy post yesterday).

Heres another good overhead shot of the area.

On a personal note, the building whose corner is barely showing on the left of this picture, directly left of the clump of trees, is where I lived for my underclassmen years in the early 80s. There was one student who was injured just outside my room window. Was this bullet a stray, or an intentional off target shot? Who knows?
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