I haven't found a thread on the subject, and I'm sure there will be some comments on the subject. So here is a thread for it.
Back in 1970 was the Kent State Shootings

Now, it is not a milestone (divisible by 5 or 10) anniversary, but a new story is making the rounds (at least locally) that could have CT overtones.

Kent State shootings victim: Tape reveals order to fire

And of course to make it even more relevent to today, we need to remember VT.
Kent State Will Remember Virginia Tech

I hat to be a wet noodle, but these two situations have nothing in common.

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In what way does this CT relate to space or astronomy?

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Bring back Firefly!

"It is quite clear that Occam's razor does not sharpen in your pyramid." (Nicolas)

"Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." (Paul Simon)

You're right; I forgot about the change in the rules.

If I find it's no longer here, I guess I shall look elsewhere.

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As has already been noted non-space/astronomy related conspiracy discussion is no longer welcome here, but the Apollo Hoax forum still allows it and has more active conspiracy theorist posters (along with many of the posters from here).

Moved to OTB.

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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

So why is this tape surfacing only now? Why wasn't it used 30+ years ago at the various trials?

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Microsoft is over if you want it.

The bar has been lowered for the promotion of ATM ideas; the bar for the acceptance of ATM ideas must remain high.

Depends on who had it, probably.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

He owns the original, but the FBI made a copy in the initial investigation.

What irritates me is that the press is saying what this guy wants, but is not following up with why it is being ignored, or what they found in the first place.

They said the recording was done from a dorm. The crowd was closer to the dorms where people were shot, than the guard.
I would be willing to bet the recording is of someone goading on the guard.

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Another story with video that plays the tape multiple times.

Just a bunch of noise if you ask me.

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Just a bunch of noise if you ask me.
you have to slow it down and play it backwards. The National Guard uses subliminal orders to dirrect thier brainwashed drones. Duh.

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Theory of Zombie Relativity:
1) Everyone Else is a Zombie relative to You
2) Whether or not it matters is related to the inverse square of the distance between their teeth and your brain
(Quoted from Demigrog)

If it werent' for some loon popping a buncha people at Virginia Tech a week ago, this would have passed as anonymously as it has since 1970.

So you'll forgive me if the most constructive thing I have to add to this conversation is a hearty belch and a question about what's on TV tonight.

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I'm not completely heartless, the doctor who removed it told me he'd never be able to get it all.

I admit, that the VT hype related to this is un-called for, but if multiple national news outlets are putting it as one of the top stories (such as Here and Here) and not even relating it to VT, then they are considering it a story in itself and popular enough to make money from.
Opinions are fine. I too wish they would let it rest, but it was an important era, and this is a personification of that era.

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A field commander made a bad call. On the other hand, you pick a fight with heavily armed people, you get ventilated with medium calibre ammunition.

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I'm not completely heartless, the doctor who removed it told me he'd never be able to get it all.

But, that is the issue. They've never been able to determine exactly what happened. It could have just been someone asleep at the trigger.
Either way, I know I would have been nowhere near that activity, and there were no classroom buildings in that area, except for the one that the guard was directly in front of, so avoiding the area was not that difficult.

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I have a friend whose father narrowly missed being there; if he had been, I might not have had my best friend.

What you have to remember, Doodler, is that the majority of those students weren't picking a fight. You have to remember that the photos of the time show that the nearest students were out of throwing range and therefore were no danger to the National Guardsmen. In fact, by all accounts, the National Guardsmen were moving away, had gone nearly over a ridge and out of sight, and turned and fired. This isn't a riot. But no one knows exactly why those students died.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

I did notice a parallel in one article about his to alleged Apollo mission transcripts purporting to indicate aliens on the moon. A guardsman basically said that "Get set! Point! Fire!" or whatever was not a legitimate command.

Could be the auditory cousin of pareidolia.

CJSF

P.S.
Crap. I can't find the thread linking to the faux transcript of Neil Amstrong talking about alien bases.

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Two years ago moved from my town
I was looking up past the city lights
But the city lights got in my way

See the constellation ride across the sky
No cigar, no lady on his arm
Just a guy made of dots and lines

-from "See The Constellation"
by They Might Be Giants

Could just be outright fraud, too. If there's more than one copy of this, then it too should be examined. They've been sitting on this how long now? And now, with the event timing, just come forward?

Something stinks.

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I'm not completely heartless, the doctor who removed it told me he'd never be able to get it all.

I wrote this earlier here:
Vindication is coming; wait for it. This tape probably isn't it, though.

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The bar has been lowered for the promotion of ATM ideas; the bar for the acceptance of ATM ideas must remain high.

I've not heard the tape, and it's entirely possible, even probable, that it doesn't have anything useful on it. I'm not sure if I believe there will ever be anything other than a clarification of history; I really doubt there's any evidence other than memory left.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Unfortunately, there were some that weren't, and all it takes is a few bad apples to spoil the bunch.
That changed during the events of the day, sometimes they were, sometimes they weren't.
Not exactly. They realized they left the students boxed into a fenced area, and retreated enough to give them an egress. They did stop for some time (although short) before firing.
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