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This one was all over the place yesterday with no details. Now they added some, and the entire situation has me wondering.

Man Says He Accidentally Shot Wife During Sex
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Deputies said Carolyn has an active restraining order against her husband.

Deputies took Timothy into custody for further questioning and he could face charges for violating his restraining order.
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1) He's lying about the sex, and this is aggrivated assault.
2) He's not lying about the sex, but this was actually a rape.
3) She agreed to have sex, and thus (IMO) baited him making the restraining order invalid.

So; I think the restraining order violation is probably the least of what's going on.
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This one was all over the place yesterday with no details. Now they added some, and the entire situation has me wondering.

Man Says He Accidentally Shot Wife During Sex

Either:
1) He's lying about the sex, and this is aggrivated assault.
2) He's not lying about the sex, but this was actually a rape.
3) She agreed to have sex, and thus (IMO) baited him making the restraining order invalid.

So; I think the restraining order violation is probably the least of what's going on.
Yeah. Hmmm....

Guessing with very little info is bad but... THe first option sounds the most likely.
Right in the chest, he thought she'd die and he could pretend it was all an accident.

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Gives an entire but quite appropriate new meaning to the phrase, a rewarding experience. Guess that girl had a re-rewarding experience once she went home to her state after accepting the National award.
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Timothy Havens told police he was reaching for something on the night stand when the pistol went off, hitting his wife, Carolyn Havens, in the upper chest.
There are only a few ways they could have been positioned for this to happen. With no details at all I could even come up with a way to actually explain it plausibly, BUT...

I have no way to explain a woman consenting to that activity with a person against whom she has a restraining order, with a loaded gun within reach. Other than people are stupid I mean.

Oh, and I'd love to know if he has any powder burns on his hand or arm. In every case I can think of except one, he'd better.
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I think a firing squad would be more effective.

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But that's only if he's actually guilty!

I'd say give them both polygraphs. If the conclusions from each match (he's lying, she's telling the truth, with different stories), odds are decent that her story is more accurate than his. But if it shows both are lying, the results are indeterminant, and you certainly shouldn't hang a guy for that
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I think a firing squad would be more effective.

Then there's always the

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I'd say give them both polygraphs. If the conclusions from each match (he's lying, she's telling the truth, with different stories), odds are decent that her story is more accurate than his. But if it shows both are lying, the results are indeterminant, and you certainly shouldn't hang a guy for that
I'd agree, but you left out the one about the stories being the same and the polygraphs showing truths.

In that case, I think they both need to be... well... er... at least disciplined.
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I'd agree, but you left out the one about the stories being the same and the polygraphs showing truths.

In that case, I think they both need to be... well... er... at least disciplined.
If they are both telling the truth, the media attention will be plenty of discipline
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Not a news story, and hopefully just a typo, but I noticed tonight that the tag in my work pants says they are 85% polyester and 35% cotton.
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Not a news story, and hopefully just a typo, but I noticed tonight that the tag in my work pants says they are 85% polyester and 35% cotton.
Maybe they're just really good pants.
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Nearly 2 Million Tire Valve Stems Recalled

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Finding out the model number for the valve stems on your tires requires the tire to be removed from its frame and the valve stem pulled out.
Once you go through that trouble, it really doesn't matter what the model is. You might as well get a new one anyway, along with the remounting and balancing.
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I was going to ask whether or not a faulty system was enough to lead to "catastrophic failure", or simply a (relatively) slow leak. The article seems to indicate that it can cause blowouts ... which is what I'd consider "catastrophic" as it's all at once and at speed.

But I still can't help but wonder if the blowouts are really that sudden, or the result of not paying attention to your tire pressure. Granted, it seems newer cars with nicer suspensions can be hard to tell when a tire is going flat. Mine, for instance, one hardly notices a difference until [a tire] is very low.
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But I still can't help but wonder if the blowouts are really that sudden, or the result of not paying attention to your tire pressure.
I think its the latter based on this paragraph. (bolded the way I interpret the cause and effect)
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Me too. Which is why I personally think it'd be acceptable to, instead of forcing thousands of perfectly good tires to get ripped apart to check for the faulty valves; just refund money for a free tire when one goes flat.

But then again, I don't have a relative that died as a result of a flat that was potentially caused by these valves. Like I said; it's not always that easy to tell when your tire is partially deflated; and partial deflation can cause a blowout. So recall probably is the best (safest) bet.
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But I still can't help but wonder if the blowouts are really that sudden, or the result of not paying attention to your tire pressure. Granted, it seems newer cars with nicer suspensions can be hard to tell when a tire is going flat. Mine, for instance, one hardly notices a difference until [a tire] is very low.
Which is why really new vehicles have tire pressure monitoring systems that let you know when a tire gets low.

Mine works. (I picked up a nail shortly after I bought my current vehicle, roughly 4.5 years ago. It was unexpected, and my first thought was that the monitoring system was bad. Nope, it was right.)
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under the "say that again" category:

on the radio this afternoon: police chasing a tractor trailer from I-270 to the beltway and ultimately to Tyson's Corner. Announcer said, "so if you are in the Tyson's Corner area, be prepared for 2000 police cars".

Now--I still haven't found out if that's literally true or not...but suspect he's throwing out a number like "a million police cars". I don't think that's quite proper on a news story, even one that's really a traffic report! Especially since it's not completely impossible that it really was 2000 police cars (and again, I've not found out yet).
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Well, there might not be 2000 police cars (unless you count transport, unmarked, bicycle, etc) in the whole state of Ohio ... I think exaggeration might be a safe bet.

It does seem odd ... and it's an interesting number to pick at random aswell.
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Me too. Which is why I personally think it'd be acceptable to, instead of forcing thousands of perfectly good tires to get ripped apart to check for the faulty valves; just refund money for a free tire when one goes flat.
If you follow to the MD article, It makes sense. There's information on what one looks like and how to check it.
But; in the linked transposed version, they couldn't even get NHTSA right.

But the end result is that an expensive problem (mostly time) is covered by a free replacement of a pennys' part. Worse than a lifetime brakepad warranty.
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Here's one with some good advice for the Holidays.

Lie to your relatives during the Holidays.
How to handle being unemployed...
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"You can try and milk the recession, but the truth is, they're just gonna think of you as the one who's not working. You'll be forever stereotyped as that person who can't seem to hold onto or find a job."
In other words, it's for the person whose relatives are insensitive and have been living under a rock for the recession.

Personally; I wouldn't be spending my holidays with a relative like that in the first place.

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"You've had the same job for 33 years and got layed off? You LOSER! You NEVER can hold a job! Ooops, gotta go; gunna be late for my shift. If I don't turn that deep frier on in time I'll lose the star from my paper hat!"

...but yeah, that advise is probably the dumbest I've heard. I'd try not to be too centered around it; no one likes when someone milks the pity card. But don't lie about it either.
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It might also help explain to Aunt Gladys and Uncle Ernie why their gift this year was a single scratch off lotto in an envelope.
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Hey, my family knows I'm living on the government's money. They may not be happy about it, but better they know it from me than find out in other ways, which they're probably going to do somehow. (Like asking how work's going.)
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...that's already been scratched.
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I don't know if my last one has died down yet, but I just read a beauty...
Musicians don’t want tunes used for torture.
Ok, I don't blame them. But; it sounds like there may be enough that are ok with it that the Gubmt just needs to work with the music industry a bit better.
No matter what the case, I got to this part of the article...

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“It’s absolutely ludicrous,” he wrote in the Los Angeles Times. “A song that was designed to make little children feel safe and loved was somehow going to threaten the mental state of adults and drive them to the emotional breaking point?”
Is he talking about Guantanamo, or just about any parent of a preschooler?
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“A song that was designed to make little children feel safe and loved was somehow going to threaten the mental state of adults and drive them to the emotional breaking point?”

Well, obviously the article left out his following statement from the interview; "Now, please pass me the ketchup before this 'ere ice cream melts! I'm hungry!"

Which, of course was followed by a question from the interviewer about whether or not his tastes/judgment might differ from most. To that, he threw a cat at the interviewer and said "Ain't no chipmunks gunna steal MY pennies! Hahahaohohohaho!"
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Musicians don’t want tunes used for torture.
Ok, I don't blame them. But; it sounds like there may be enough that are ok with it that the Gubmt just needs to work with the music industry a bit better.
No matter what the case, I got to this part of the article...


Is he talking about Guantanamo, or just about any parent of a preschooler?
When I saw that story, my thought was--if you don't want your compositions to be used for torture, write something decent!

Of course, "Born in the USA" was on the list, and that's pretty good. But it would be torture to an America-hater I guess.
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Yeah, right. Likely story...
Actor hurt after fake knife turned out to be real

I can see this as being one of those comedy of errors that build up into a tragedy compounded by some language issues, and nobody saying much for liability.
But; It does read fairly strangely. Mostly in one paragraph.
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Thalia said Thursday that the original prop knife was damaged and that instructions to blunt the replacement had been "carelessly" disregarded. It did not specify who it thought might be responsible.
Thalia said? Uhm, you just said Thalia was the theater company. (Maybe all the actors chanted the line at one time)
Instructions? by Whom for Whom?
Just how do you damage a knife? Especially one that is originally designed to be a knife.
It did not specify? It? Ok, Austria. Sounds like a Der/die/das problem. I never caught on to that in German class myself.

Good thing he's ok.
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"Sounds like a Der/die/das problem."

yeah, I guess he was told use the knife on "die" actor and thought it meant, use the knife---DIE ACTOR!
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Here's a fun one. It could go in a number of threads, but it was the kinda head-scratcher that made me "read it again", so here it is.

And here's my favorite quote; and yes, this is the actual quote from the actual "professional" news article:

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"My son was in the basement fixing on something and I heard something go like ‘vooo’,” said building resident [edit*]. “And then the next thing you know, the house got all smokey and my son said, ‘Momma, get out, get out.’"
There's more for anyone brave enough to read.

*Edited: I forgot it said her name. Decided don't need to point the name out here on BAUT, but they weren't shy about including it in the article
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You can say that again.

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And here's my favorite quote; and yes, this is the actual quote from the actual "professional" news article:
I'm not sure why you threw the "professional" comment in there. What particularly is that in reference too. (obviously not the person speaking, or the one she's speaking about)
But; yeah, all around, there were some issues.

"He didn't know that were gonna happen" - Obviously.

As for the situation with the firefighter. It sounds pretty odd, but I would assume they knew the risk but decided it wasn't as big a risk as leaving it in there.
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