If you are joking, seriously, you have my permission to slap me but I think what Gillianren is saying is the term is sort of redundant. If she is still missing, the ship would naturally return without her. If the ship returned with her, they would not be calling her the missing woman anymore, they would be calling her the found woman.

Then again, without reading the article, one could possibly assume that they were just playing with words, a sort of double negative. They actually did find her and she is on the ship but since she is found and no longer considered missing, they are announcing that the ship returned without a missing woman.

Then again, without reading the article, one could possibly assume that they were just playing with words, a sort of double negative. They actually did find her and she is on the ship but since she is found and no longer considered missing, they are announcing that the ship returned without a missing woman.
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Actually, if I remember the story (article-be-damned! Why read something I don't have to?), they returned with one less passenger than the left with. It is confusing wordage (which is why it was appropriately posted in this thread) but it should read "Ship returns without woman who went missing" or something along those lines.

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"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

You are aware that I was kidding, in that paragraph, right?

No, no I wasn't. That's why, to Gillian's delight, the use of emoticons should be mandatory.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

Great! Just one more thing I have to remember.

...and I thought the sheer sillyness of that conclusion spoke for itself.

I also love that I copied and bolded the "Reply with Quote" from the text, which helps make it obvious that my brain isn't working today (which is the norm).

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

Fewer!

In all seriousness? How about "Woman Missing From Returning Cruise"?

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

I was thinking "ship returns missing a woman", but I think the important part is that "with" or "without" just doesn't seem to work with the word "missing".

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Take the legal route and cover all bases: "Ship returns with or without a woman who might have returned or not returned with or without said ship."

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

"Ship returns one woman shy."

Which has the advantage that it's likely an illiterate editor will insert a comma and completely change the meaning.

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I'd change that to "ship, or something believed to be a ship, may or may not have returned ....."

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Ah, good catch!

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

Was she shy before the cruise? I'd figure that you'd want to be a readily sociable person if you were going on one of those trips.

That's the point. I don't know what percentage of women are naturally shy, but if the cruise returns with only one being shy, then it was a very good cruise.

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. . . sounds like a relatively questionable outing, if you ask me.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

Who ever said "questionable" and "good" were mutually exclusive?

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I have an answer to that, but this is BAUT so I'll keep it to myself.

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"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

Okay...

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That implies that the ship has excellent swimmer collision avoidance systems. Or a good lookout. Or bad swimmer targeting systems. Meaning a system that targets swimmers. Not just bad swimmers.

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After reading the comments, I'm starting to think that "returns without missing woman" isn't a bad headline. If you just said "returns without woman," it could mean that she deliberately got off and refused to get back on, for whatever reason. So I think the "missing" gives the information that this is a person who went missing. I think also that it gives the information that she is not known to be dead. There was a time when the press might have said: "ships looking for missing Air France plane." Well of course they wouldn't be looking for it if it wasn't missing. But now, they will say, "ships looking for downed Air France plane." So it is no longer missing, because we know what happened to it.

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Cadet Thomas Herston, second year student at the Judge Advocates General's School, won the Judge Advocate General's School award for the Best Cadet of the Month for the first time twice.

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Maybe that baby upthread wasn't so unusual.

Another lightning related story with a few things to think about.

Deadly June opens season of lightning strikes

Because?
I admit that using that statistic is good to back up the fact. But the fact is that indoors is safer and shown by the data.

Sometimes? I thought thunder and lightning ALWAYS happen simultaneously, and that's why the counting seconds is reliable as a measurement of distance.
Why can't they just be clear and say the one that hits you may be the first one you hear.

Does the general public know of any volts other than electrical?

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Yes.

Can't have the public sitting around in storms with their mouths agape and aimed at the sky, waiting for their free 100 million energy drinks.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

I don't, and I'm pretty sure I don't count as "the general public."

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

At least that would be more likely than if it were raining Chevys.

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Just an afterthought; I wonder if their lightning-death statistics would have included if anyone was killed in a fire that resulted from the dwelling they were in being struck by lightning, or killed by a tree that was felled by lightning and crashed into their home.

I'm not arguing that it's not safer to be indoors when there's lightning, but I have a hard time believing nobody died while indoors as a result of a lightning strike.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

It doesn't say that they died while outdoors, just that they were outdoors. Of course, that also applies to all of the people who went indoors before the storms came.

Okay, I find it hard to believe that nobody died as a result of a lightning strike that happened while said person was indoors.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

Well; they didn't say that. Only that it's true last year and so far this year.

According to NOAA:
Best protection, but not total protection.

My guess is that once you are inside, the effects have a much greater chance of being distributed among other things.

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