Apparently that 50% off didn't apply a year ago.

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Or last time he bought it one sack at a time from the local grocer.

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Here's one where the headline says it all:

This is a good place to quote Inigo Montoya, but I'm not entirely sure which word is the one that doesn't mean what they think it means...

(I almost put this in the "Bad Reporting" thread, but I decided it's not actually the reporting that's bad here.)

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The real question is who is this Bill guy, and why does he feel he can boss parents around?

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You beat me to it.

I do want to avoid the politics of it, but there is just so much in the story that makes me go huh?

Uh; yea, but would forced involvement have the same result? My guess is the parents started off as caring about thier kids, and the parental involvement is a side affect of this attitude.

I have a feeling if it is forced, you will gain some resentment. The results of the poll seem to re-inforce that. 43% would rather pay the fine than [volunteer].

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Exactly.

In fact I'd volunteer under an alias then not go under my real name just to spite 'em

Forced involvement with adults is a bit strange anyway.

More thinking done for us. I feel like a frog (No offense Swift).

In the local charter schools and magnet schools, parent are required to volunteer ten hours a year but that's because it's a sort of public, private school. What would a law like that do to parents that have to work, can't afford to miss work, or have babies to take care of. The magnet and charter schools are voluntary, you have to enter a lottery to get your kids in. These are public schools, so it's not like the parents have a choice in the matter.

In the local charter schools and magnet schools, parent are required to volunteer ten hours a year but that's because it's a sort of public, private school. What would a law like that do to parents that have to work, can't afford to miss work, or have babies to take care of. The magnet and charter schools are voluntary, you have to enter a lottery to get your kids in. These are public schools, so it's not like the parents have a choice in the matter.

That's a real issue with so many single parent families out there. Who is going to look after the other kids while the parent has to perform the mandatory volunteerism (an oxymoron if there ever was one)? Some parents have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. What about their loss of income?

Well... The volunteer time isn't very much. I doubt it would be a problem.

It's just the principle of it.
After they get away with taking an inch- they'll take mile.

NTSB: Flight crew failed to execute a 'missed approach' in Cleveland runway overrun

I got to the second contributing factor, and it just struck me as funny before I got to the end of the sentence.
Or a short pier if it was our lakefront airport.

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I kind of like the headline too: NTSB: Flight crew failed to execute a 'missed approach' in Cleveland runway overrun

Failed to miss the approach on an over-run eh? Almost makes it sound like they landed it, and failed to over-run it. Which, if I were a passenger, I would appreciate the "error".

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Yep; that one took me a while to figure out too. Perfect for this thread.

I think I finally figured it to be they failed to use the missed approach procedures.

I'd also like to add this detail...
When else would it have ran off the end of the runway?
I suppose you could counter with take-off. But; this little ditty is the last sentence of a story about what happened.

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I'd prefer "About midway through flight, the crew overshot the runway and crashed through a fence."

I mean, it's the news. Doesn't have to make sense.

And WRT the headline, I understand you can only put so much in a headline...but how about "Failure in protocol causes runway-miss." ?

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Car Towed With Sleeping 7-Year-Old Inside

Well; that explains it...

And what were they doing in a fire lane with the kid in the car? Sounds like plenty of mistakes to go around... It seems best to drop it all.

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The tow Driver makes his money by the tow. No tows, no money.

So they tend to be aggressive about enforcing towing. I've argued (and won) my case against many of them that want to 'bend the rules' to get paid.

So the parents and owner of the vehicle did a normal thing. Went to prep the apartment to and parked their car as close as possible to carry things inside easily- when the tow jumped on his chance. He was so fast they didn't even know what happened.

I disagree that the parents and car owners did anything "wrong." They were behaving in similar fashion to how we all do.

Some folks pull up on the doors at a mall or Wal-Mart and drop their spouse off at the front- and go look for a parking space.
Some do the opposite- and pick them up at the doors.

I've parked my plumbing truck in some very precarious places- traggic cones front and back and a flashing yellow light on top. Had to have the truck and equipment as close to the job as possible.
Including, parking my truck on the 12th floor of a building once.

That's right.

Drive it inside. Took it right up in a big elevator. Was a bit of a thrill I admit.

So frankly, I disagree that there were 'mistakes' all around. The parents behaved in normal fashion. The tow truck driver did not.

Just because others do it makes it right?
I didn't say they had no reason to do it, all I said was that the story indicated they knew the rules. They broke them, no matter how minor they may have been. I never said the mistakes were balanced (although the "drop it" makes it seem that way).
Plus; we don't know the timelines or the distances, or why both were out of the car.

Really; its the talk of the kidnapping charge, rather than the aggressive nature that I have trouble with.
Yes; the driver is in the car. That's the difference between stopping and parking.
And active service vehicles is another thing too.

Anyway; I was hoping to avoid all that. I was amused at the "Towing is strictly enforced". Instead of the ban or restrictions being enforced. Or...the tow driver was strictly bound to tow it.
I guess it's too subtle.

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Sure, why not...
You know what?
I'm tired of people nitpicking over dumb rules or laws- pointing out such and such rule was broken and it doesn't matter how 'minor' it was. They still broke it. Whatever.

YES, it does matter how minor it was.

And apparently, the cops and everyone else seems to agree with me on that.

Yes, it did.
Well, we know that the TowTruck driver moved at warp 8.

Wouldn't have been too hard to notice a kid in the backseat.
The kidnapping charge came up because they had No Idea their vehicle had been Towed.
The charges won't Carry because the child was NOT kidnapped after-all.

Purely as examples.
Want more?
The guy that runs into the post office or the guy that runs to the mailbox. Sheesh.

Yes; nitpicky is the word, but there's just something about it that's not adding up and these details are what's going to paint the picture.
For instance, I understand the tow is quick, but how quick can it be that they didn't notice it? Something had to contribute to that. They weren't watching the car, they had thier head [somewhere].

My intention was not to pass blame, but to see what the issue was.

Not the way that those tows are done apparently. (as mentioned in the article)
Right...and I think that was my point all along. They are concentrating the story on the kidnapping charge which is appropriate to describe the situation. But; they have not dropped it after the situation was explained.

What I would like to know is the policies of the tow, and that was completely missing from the article.