Here's a nicer pic: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...h_siblings.jpg

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.....

Or as a former friend of mine would write: Awwwwwwweeeeeeeee.....

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The dose makes the poison--Paracelsus (1493-1541) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

I don't know. That's why I'm asking--Noclevername

Intelligence may not be clearly defined, but you know stupid when you see it--Noclevername

Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge--Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

First pic was a shock, then came an aaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwweeeeeeee.

I must be reading too many pun threads.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
"The Mayan symbol for "book" looks a lot like a triple hamburger, but I've never seen them claiming it as proof the Mayans had Big Macs." - KaiYeves
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

ROFLMAO!

You are so bad....

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The dose makes the poison--Paracelsus (1493-1541) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

I don't know. That's why I'm asking--Noclevername

Intelligence may not be clearly defined, but you know stupid when you see it--Noclevername

Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge--Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

The available medical care's bad. Everything else about the city is great--especially that Graham likes it here; for obvious reasons, I'm not leaving him just for better meds. And again, this isn't just an Olympia problem. This is a national problem; it just happens to be worse here because it's a smaller town.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Aye!!!


I knew a physicist who was getting a doctorates in it. He couldn't balance his check book or get a girlfriend, but he was conviced he was God and better than everyone else on the planet.

That said, there's arrogance in every field. Every office. Everywhere.

We should take pitty on those who are arrogant. They are fools who let their egos control them. If they should fall, they'll hit the hardest.

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You ain't nobody 'til you've been banned.

See my posts (#'s 159 and 123 on this thread) for my final thoughts on this subject. I agree with you on the second two points you make!

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The dose makes the poison--Paracelsus (1493-1541) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

I don't know. That's why I'm asking--Noclevername

Intelligence may not be clearly defined, but you know stupid when you see it--Noclevername

Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge--Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

oh that's terrible and about the idea, I think that's great if only people would hear about it more often ...

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Universe's limits are our own limits ...

Arrogance is a complicated thing...

I think in some cases it comes from overconfidence - in which case anyone can have it, at any stage of their career.

I think in most cases it comes from ego. I've encountered a couple of insufferably arrogant astrophysicists and geophysicists, and they're like that because they really do think they know everything and nobody else has the right to prove them wrong or even to butt in on things that they might know. You can usually tell that type because they never admit they're wrong and never apologise for anything.

In some cases it can come from misinterpretation - a lot of laypeople think scientists are "arrogant" just for telling them how things actually work. And in several cases, especially in the sciences, I think it comes from scientists just being so detached from everyone else that they just don't even realise that they're coming across as asses.

Must we start this idiotic discussion up AGAIN?????

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Note to Paracelsus - do not post inappropriate words on this site. This is your one freebie - not an official warning this time.

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The dose makes the poison--Paracelsus (1493-1541) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

I don't know. That's why I'm asking--Noclevername

Intelligence may not be clearly defined, but you know stupid when you see it--Noclevername

Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge--Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

Careful, Paracelsus.

I'd hate to see someone as nice as you get into trouble with the mods.

Must have been a PWI.

Meanwhile, here's an example of "Arrogance in psueoscientific disciplines" (although I'm stretching the definition of "discipline" to its limit..and beyond). Just read the bulk of the tree's posts.

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Yeah, you're right. That was a PWHO actually. I did all of my PWI posting last night.

This was the thread I asked the mods/BA about adding that coda to the first post. I fervently wish I'd never started this thread at all. I know I shouldn't take this kind of thing personally, but it is hard not to. I don't mind the discussion about lousy doctors, etc; I just wish the whole 'arrogance' angle would quietly go away.

I realize that I got myself into this whole thing, but how many times am I going to have to apologize for this thread???

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The dose makes the poison--Paracelsus (1493-1541) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

I don't know. That's why I'm asking--Noclevername

Intelligence may not be clearly defined, but you know stupid when you see it--Noclevername

Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge--Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

I know what you're getting at.

I guess the best thing is just to consider it a child who has now a life of her own, and let her go.

You can't be nor consider yourself to be responsible for all that happens in this thread.

Hey, let's talk astronomy.

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You're a sweetheart! Thanks, man.

Added: I didn't think I was PWI, but I just realized that I couldn't remember brushing my teeth this morning--even though my mouth feels like I have.

I haven't drunk anything alcoholic since last night, and ethanol has zero-order elimination kinetics. I didn't drink that much either, so it has to be out of my system by now...

Yikes!

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The dose makes the poison--Paracelsus (1493-1541) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

I don't know. That's why I'm asking--Noclevername

Intelligence may not be clearly defined, but you know stupid when you see it--Noclevername

Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge--Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

As a group I'd say astrophysicists.

Sorry, this thread got bumped up to the New Posts page by someone else posting, I didn't realise that it had already run its course when I posted my comment.

Is ok.

I suspect that this will be a long-lived thread, unfortunately. In any event, I'll post this again: See my posts (#'s 159 and 123 on this thread) for my final thoughts on this subject.

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The dose makes the poison--Paracelsus (1493-1541) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

I don't know. That's why I'm asking--Noclevername

Intelligence may not be clearly defined, but you know stupid when you see it--Noclevername

Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge--Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

159 and 123

hhEb09'1, those two links don't go back to post #'s 159 or 123. I clicked on them and didn't get the right posts.

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The dose makes the poison--Paracelsus (1493-1541) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

I don't know. That's why I'm asking--Noclevername

Intelligence may not be clearly defined, but you know stupid when you see it--Noclevername

Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge--Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

That's weird, they work for me. They go to posts 1018315 and 1007023

I just copied the permalink links from the upper right hand corner (BTW, the permalink thing seems to be the worst idea ever )

PS: and I think I see the problem. The page number is included in the permalink--so if your page setting is different than mine, you will go to a page that may not contain that particular post. Some "permalink"

Yeah, I don't use that feature. There must be another way to link to a particular post without having to search through a given page to find it. I've seen it done on the 'Banned posters' thread but haven't figured out how to do it myself.

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The dose makes the poison--Paracelsus (1493-1541) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

I don't know. That's why I'm asking--Noclevername

Intelligence may not be clearly defined, but you know stupid when you see it--Noclevername

Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge--Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

It used to be, if you clicked on the link in the upper right hand corner, it would take you to a display of the single post and the link in the upper right hand corner of that page would to the post within a thread/page context. That seems to have changed with permalink.

It's still possible to construct that sort of link by hand, using the template
http ://www.bautforum.com/ showthread.php?p=PPPPPPP#postPPPPPPP

So for the two posts #159 (post 1018315) and #123 (post 1007023):
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread....15#post1018315
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread....23#post1007023

Do those work for you?

Yup, those worked. I'll have to remember that algorithm in your post for future reference.

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The dose makes the poison--Paracelsus (1493-1541) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

I don't know. That's why I'm asking--Noclevername

Intelligence may not be clearly defined, but you know stupid when you see it--Noclevername

Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge--Carl Sagan (1934-1996)