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Old 09-June-2007, 06:21 PM
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Default Death by sports cream...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/09/mus....ap/index.html


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Her mother, Alice Newman, said she still couldn't believe her daughter's death was caused by a sports cream.
"I am scrupulous about my children's health," she told the Advance. "I did not think an over-the-counter product could be unsafe."
RED ALERT!! IMPENDING MORONIC LAWSUIT AFTER MISUSE OF OTHERWISE SAFE PRODUCT INCOMING!! RED ALERT!!
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Old 09-June-2007, 06:25 PM
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"I did not think an over-the-counter product could be unsafe."
*cough*aspirin*cough*
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Old 10-June-2007, 10:37 PM
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<gasp>motrin<gasp>

(and, to continue the list)
Ephedrin
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when will people realize, there are directions printed on these things for a reason???
If you over use *anything* it's dangerous
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If you over use *anything* it's dangerous
Wat?! Next you'll have us believe that too much oxygen could kill us! Or too much water!
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absolutely - even too much vacuum!
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absolutely - even too much vacuum!
That's it! I'm not going to take any chances. I'm never vacuuming again!!

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Old 11-June-2007, 02:47 AM
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absolutely - even too much vacuum!
No way. I vacuum all the time, and I never die from it. :-)
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Just how much Icy Hot do you have to use to die? Cover your whole body every few hours of every day, for weeks at a time? Take it orally?

I've used these types of creams and ointments many, many times when I used to power-lift. Still use them today when lifting weights. I've never noticed any ill-effects.
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Old 11-June-2007, 03:24 AM
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Here's a brilliant quote from the CNN news article:

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"Chronic use is more dangerous than one-time use," Edward Arsura, chairman of medicine at Richmond University Medical Center, told the Staten Island Advance on Friday.
Really?
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absolutely - even too much vacuum!
A couple of the generated advertisements for this thread were for a certain brand of pain reliever pill and plastic bags. Are they trying to suggest something?
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The sentence may have been phrased poorly, but I think it is a genuine point. There are some poisons that accumulate, so what is more important is how much you've taken over your lifetime (mercury is like this). Whereas for other things, such as cyanide, a big dose immediately will kill you but a little bit taken over a long period is not effective.
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The sentence may have been phrased poorly, but I think it is a genuine point. There are some poisons that accumulate, so what is more important is how much you've taken over your lifetime (mercury is like this). Whereas for other things, such as cyanide, a big dose immediately will kill you but a little bit taken over a long period is not effective.
Yes, what you say is true, but he wasn't talking about poisons like mercury and cyanide - he was referring to an over-the-counter item.
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Old 11-June-2007, 04:51 AM
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It's still poisonous, even if it's an over-the-counter item. Methyl salicylates are poisonous, and they are in sports creams. Actually, so is menthol, apparently.
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Old 11-June-2007, 05:04 AM
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It's still poisonous, even if it's an over-the-counter item.
Probably all over-the-counter items that are taken orally or applied to the skin are dangerous if over-used. It's just common sense. And that quote by the doctor in the CNN article? A restatement of common sense.
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If I read that correctly, they're not exactly sure how she managed to "overdose" on the stuff, they just know she had some ridiculously high level of the stuff in her body. They said either she lathered herself in it ridiculously, or somehow her skin just absorbed the stuff much more than normal. So she might have been just a fluke "overabsorber". Low probability crap like that can happen, well once in a blue moon.

Now, I recall something about some woman who was going to have some dermatological procedure done (at one of these "medical spa" type things), and they gave her some cream to apply beforehand. That was some powerful stuff, IIRC, and she used way too much of it and died in the car on the way. But that stuff wasn't over-the-counter.

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She was a distance runner, if I read the article correctly. Either she was using it as a post-run treatment, or was using it to limber up before a run. Given the statements about increased absorption in heat, I'm willing to bet the latter.

Either way, likely not the best, nor intended, uses.
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That's it! I'm not going to take any chances. I'm never vacuuming again!!

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I second that!

Better safe than sucky.
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[edit]Actually, so is menthol, apparently.
Are they still putting menthol in cigarettes? If so then that means it's inherently safe, as the tobacco companies would never provide a product that would harm us.
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Wat?! Next you'll have us believe that too much oxygen could kill us! Or too much water!
I know you were just kidding around but people have died from too much water:

Hyperhydration/water poisoning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_poisoning
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Old 11-June-2007, 06:12 AM
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I know you were just kidding around but people have died from too much water:
Of course they have. That was the point of the post: anything can kill you if taken in too great quanties (except for vacuums). If you're interested in oxygen, search for hyperoxia or oxygen toxicity. Dangerous stuff, oxygen.
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