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Old 09-April-2008, 07:14 PM
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Also, the so-called "civil disobedience", or breaking a law to protest it, isn't an important part of being a true civil disobeyer to accept society's punishment in return? (both kinds of punishment--formal, by the courts, and informal, when your neighbors no longer speak to you in some cases or similar).
Yes. Yes, it is. I wrote a column for my alma mater's paper about it once. One underage person drinking a beer isn't civil disobedience, especially when it's followed by whining that that underage person got busted for it. Thirty underage people drinking beers in full view of law enforcement and accepting their punishment is. Heck, even one person can be, if that person does it right.
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Old 09-April-2008, 08:36 PM
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Yes. Yes, it is. I wrote a column for my alma mater's paper about it once. One underage person drinking a beer isn't civil disobedience, especially when it's followed by whining that that underage person got busted for it. Thirty underage people drinking beers in full view of law enforcement and accepting their punishment is. Heck, even one person can be, if that person does it right.
Good point. I read a similar article that highlighted Henry David Thoreau, who civilly disobeyed a tax policy by refusing to pay. He was found guilty and without complaint let himself be jailed. He was freed the next day when a family member paid the taxes, much to Thoreau's protests.

By contrast, a group of abortion protesters were arrested for actions, and the article stated that they were thrilled to be arrested for their cause. They even wore loose comfortable clothing and carried no valuables, knowing that they would want to minimize inconvenience while incarcerated. But when a judge sentenced them to actual jail time they were outraged. They weren't intending to actually pay the consequences for their civil disobedience. They were wanting to spend a Saturday in a local cell and be back to work on Monday morning beaming at each other over their shared experience.

Sorry, but if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
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Old 09-April-2008, 08:58 PM
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The woman who was arrested for registering under her dog's name to show how easy voter fraud is, had she exhausted all her legal means of action? Or did she just think she was being cute?

Was she arrested because she broke the law or because she embarrassed the powers that be? There are some elected officials who aren't too zealous about going after voter fraud but get real upset when they're embarrassed about failing to do their jobs.

IIRC, she registered her dog to vote. She didn't cast a vote using the dog's voter ID. There is a big difference, IMO.
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Old 10-April-2008, 07:59 AM
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I think that breaking the law to prove a point has it's place, but that place is at the end of a pretty long chain of events.

In my "perfect world", if a situation like this came up where it was possible to register to vote regardless of eligibility, and this woman registered her dog, her punishment for breaking the law and helping an ineligible "person" register would be based on the documented evidence that she'd tried other things. Registered letters to the office that oversees the practice that went unanswered would be good. An internet blog, not so much. If she had taken all reasonable and proper steps (going to the press would not be a "proper step" in this case because long before anyone cared enough to fix it, the story would go out and alert others the the holes in the system) were taken, then she did this to make a point, the judge in my world would find her guilty and issue a fine of $1 suspended and 3 months probation. There would also be many butts on the line from the offices of those she could prove that she contacted.

If her evidence of contact was a blog, or web page, or newsletters passed out in the grocery store parking lot, she's getting the full sentence, but those same butts from above will still be on the line.
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Parents Fight Over Which Gang Toddler Should Join

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A couple fighting about which gang their 4-year-old toddler should join caused a public disturbance that resulted in the father's arrest, Commerce City police said Thursday.
Do I even need to make a comment?
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Harried family forgets tot in Vancouver airport

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Jun Parreno, the boy's father, told The Vancouver Sun the mix-up occurred Monday as he, his wife and two grandparents of the child, J.M., were scrambling between their arrival in Canada and a connecting flight to Winnipeg on Air Canada.
Ok; multiple caretakers and a game of who's got the kid. That part is understandable.
What I don't understand is this. The last person didn't watch people leave or check if everyone did. Ok; maybe that can slip, but...
When they arrived at the plane, nobody stopped at the door and thought "are we all here", or event thought that before sitting down.

Sounds like "run for your lives, everyone fend for yourselves, you're on your own, don't count on me to help."
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Nice to hear about an airline doing something right for a change.
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It's Home Alone 2 all over again.
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Old 15-May-2008, 02:39 PM
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It's Home Alone 2 all over again.
Obviously; that's probably why the article said that...
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Old 16-May-2008, 12:58 PM
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Obviously; that's probably why the article said that...
Silly me, I didn't actually read the article. Mea culpa.
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Man used 2-year-old son as human shield

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After pepper spray failed to subdue Young, a ranger drew her gun.

The documents say that's when Young grabbed his son and held the boy in front of his body.
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"...and charged with two counts of assaulting federal officers. " but no mention of reckless endangerment of his child?

The worst thing is, if he'd just poured out his beer...

that makes him a "stupid criminal" as well!
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Ok; this one is only remotely a parent story because parents are involved in little leagues. But; I figured it fits better here than a new thread.

Youth All-Star Game Canceled To Prevent Bruised Egos

Ok; I can see a debate on whether ages 9-12 are old enough for competition. Whether I agree or not is irrelevent to my reaction.

For [gosh] sakes...make that decision in the off season. Don't tell some little kid he's getting honored with the ability to play, then yank the rug from under him.

Instead of a few possible bruised egos, you just made a considerable number of definite bruised egos.
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An Israeli couple going on a European vacation remembered to take their duty-free shopping and their 18 suitcases, but forgot their 3-year-old daughter at the airport, police said Monday.

Israeli parents forget daughter at airport
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1) 40 Minutes into the flight, and they still didn't know?
What were the other children's ages? I'm sure there was some sibling responsibility flaw in there somewhere. I can (somewhat) understand it happening from that point of view, but why did they not notice sooner?

2) What relevance does thier religious background have to the story? Why mention it?
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I'm amazed that the second instance of this is on the same board page as the previous one.
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Looks like the '"Home Alone" Movie to me.

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I've heard of blind dates, but blackmail dates seem to be a bit over the edge.
Woman Blackmails Boy With Nude Cell Phone Picture
Summary: 13 year old girl's ex-boyfriend being blackmailed to start dating her again by her mother.

Date my daughter or else sounds like a very sound basis for teaching a child about relationships.

Wouldn't most parents of young teens want to stop a relationship when it gets to the point of sharing nude photos?

Ahh, the things of which shotgun weddings are made of...
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boy should refuse to date daughter, let mom put out the picture, then call the police and report distribution of child pornography!
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boy should refuse to date daughter, let mom put out the picture, then call the police and report distribution of child pornography!
I'm kinda wondering when/if those charges ... well, possesion of