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The BBC report is terrible. How about this:

"The original list of seven wonders was established more than 2,000 years ago by Greek scholars.

It included the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, the Colossus of Rhodes, the ancient lighthouse outside Alexandria, the great pyramid at Giza - the only survivor - and three other long-vanished edifices."

Errr... and three 'others'. What a load of crap - oh dear, oh dear.

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So, all the wonders would be in the anglosphere?
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Let's see, southern hemisphere modern wonders...

That "james bond" radio scope between the mountains? (arecibo)

The palm islands/world islands/whatever they come up with to start a tourist industry by the time they run out of oil (oh wait, that's still northern hemisphere, sorry...)

Erm, hint... what amazing things were built in the upside down hemisphere the last 100 years? Oh, panama canal, I thought it was older, but it was finished less than 100 years ago. Never mind those 9°. Add to list. Opera house in Sydney? Doesn't really move me, but OK add for the many fans .
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Boeing factory in Everett, WA. About 200 yards from where I'm sitting. Not beautiful, just BIG.
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How about the internet as a wonder? I think it's pretty cool that I'm chatting with you folks from all over the world! Except Nicholas (HA!)

ALso, I'd rather pick the terracotta warriors as a wonder (I met the guy who discovered the tomb)

As for the great wall of China? Been there, it was AWESOME (note allcaps for effect).

Also impressive, if you've ever been there, are the city walls in Xian. Being fom Canada, I've never seen city wall before (Quebec City doen NOT count)

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Probably Petra, though.
I think that's probably what I voted for too.

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So, all the wonders would be in the anglosphere?
Aside from a dead guy flapping his wings on top of a mountain, whatchy'all got down there that's been built in the last hundred years worthy of note?

On a civic scale, Brasilia's a potential entry in terms of city planning, but in terms of actual monuments of structural acumen, the 'anglosphere' has a massive headstart. Though there are a couple contenders on my list that are nonanglo-euro-american.

I won't say it'll never happen that something awesome will arise, its just not there yet.
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How about the internet as a wonder? I think it's pretty cool that I'm chatting with you folks from all over the world! Except Nicholas (HA!)
It would have hurt if you'd have typed my name correctly. HA!

The internet certainly is a wonder, but it doesn't fit the criteria (criteria!! ) I proposed for the new wonders of the world.

New entry for new wonders of the world: VAB.
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Time for the All New 7 wonders of the world! Structures/buildings no more than 100 years old and visitable....
Well, there goes my two choices out the window.
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I think that's the second time I'm misspelled your name!

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Itaipu dam is the biggest Hydroelectric plant in the world currently. It makes Hoover dam look like a puddle.
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Hey, btw, how about that arc in St Louis, MO? It looks quite impressive to me...
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Well, there goes my two choices out the window.
Which were?

edit: found. Fuller building indeed is 5 years too old.

While the Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center isn't really visitable to ordinary people, it doesn't require ultra expensive tools and vehicles to get there, so I'm willing to let that one pass . In fact what I intended was to exclude things like Hubble and ISS which aren't really vehicles but still miss "something" to be a world wonder. I think I could better catch that something in "located below the edge of space". I'll change it.
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So, all the wonders would be in the anglosphere?
My suggestions were all things that I have seen in person. I had no intention to propose that it was a final or complete list. It was just my suggestions. The previous poster was asking for suggestions, I assumed several people would respond.
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While the Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center isn't really visitable to ordinary people,
Groups can sign up for the unclassified tour, if you plan a few months in advance.

At least, you used to be able to, I haven't been there in twenty years.
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In that case, it certainly is a valid entry.

But just FYI, I changed my pet criteria for this little survey to

-structures or buildings made by human hands (so for example these gates still are a structure, but this and mobile oil platforms are vehicles.)
-less than 100 years old
-situated below the edge of space
-no vehicles

So fixed oil platforms are buildings/structures rather than vehicles, in which case one could for example propose the Hibernia platform as a new world wonder.
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Based on that, I'd go with the land reclamation/seawalls in The Netherlands.
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Why less than 100 years old!?
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Because Doodler asked, well, cried, for NEW wonders of the world instead of ancient things. So I decided to ask for some recent entries.
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Based on that, I'd go with the land reclamation/seawalls in The Netherlands.
So that would be this:

Land reclamation/storm protection:

Afsluitdijk made the Zuiderzee into the Ijsselmeer. The closed part of the salt former Zuiderzee now is a freshwater lake. Originaly planned to completely fill the IJsselmeer part for polders (which the fishers did not like...), later plans changed and it remained a lake with the dike protecting against floods. The floods of 1916 helped in making the decision for building the Afsluitdijk. Length: 32km, built in what was at the time open sea.

The Deltawerken are a series of measures to protect against floods, decided after the floods of 1953. Some major elements:

Nieuwe Waterweg Stormvloedkering gates shutting off Rotterdam if tides get dangerously high and only then, because it shuts off this huge harbour foir all naval traffic. Size: think of the Eiffel tower (width of the river is 360m). Now make it 4 times as heavy and rotateable. Some people call it "the 8th world wonder" btw .

Oosterschelde Stormvloedkering shutting off the Oosterschelde if tides get dangerously high. Two series of vertical steel gates with an artificial island in the middle. Used such that the nature of the tidal, salt Oosterschelde does not get disturbed. Boat passage possible. Length: 9km, of which 4km gates.

There's an awful lot more to the Deltawerken. And to other land reclamation/protection systems. All dikes, gates, locks, bridges etc directly related to the deltawerken or earlier projects in total make sure that the original and "won" land is protected against the water. The total length of "waterkeringen" in the Netherlands is 3000 km. Some of it is older than 100 years (many of the smaller, and often noadays more inland dikes), but the afsluitdijk and everything related to the Deltaplan not.

BTW there's another nice story here: as you may have noticed, 1953 is quite soon after WW2. During WW2, 90m*20m rectangular concrete (!!) boats were built for an invasion in Oostende, which never took place. In 1953, they took the boats called "caissons", sailed them to the flooded Ouwerkerk, and filled them with sand to make them sink. These sunken boats helped in repairing the broken dike. These days, you can still see them embedded as part of the dikes. But they're vehicles .
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Bingo!

Let me add a vote for the Chrysler Building; it's so much prettier than the Empire State Building!
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Because Doodler asked, well, cried, for NEW wonders of the world instead of ancient things. So I decided to ask for some recent entries.
Still, that's discounting centuries of other contenders - which are, after all, recent in comparison to the last lot
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The Miss Universe election is also discounting 3 billion people from the very start. That's the point of criteria: limiting the contenders. New as in recent wonders of the world, our own little BAUT election, limits in age. Quite simple .
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Lets see...
The flag on the moon

The modern supermarket (what would any emperor of the ancient world think of commoners being able to choose from among 300 brands of ice cream? Of endless rows and columns of varieties of food, far more than what is required merely so that they can enjoy the convenience of choice? When you think about it, it's a triumph of human civilization!)

Modern computer storage - you can't even find a hard drive small enough anymore these days that it can't store every book mankind has ever written. (Assuming low-res pictures, ect).

I suppose part of the things I find wonderful about the modern world are so because they are ubiquitous and useful. They aren't just tombs for dead kings, built at tremendous expense, but things anyone can get their hands on which can improve their lives. Hmm, lets see...

The assembly line that built the model-T ford.

The Wright flyer

The telegraph

Banking! (Okay, banking sort of dates back to medieval europe. Venice and Holland and all those guys - but making credit available to borrowers and interest available to lenders was a critical economic ability, providing much needed funding for capital expansion)
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Sure about that?
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American Electrical-telecom grid
VAB/Baikonur (Saturn V moonshot/Automated Buran flight)
Itaipu/Three Gorges/TVA
Troll Platform
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I'd forgotten all about that - I voted ages and ages ago....
It's the "Energizer-Bunny" of contests!
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Although the Itaipu dam is bigger and newer, I still nominate Hoover Dam as among the first really big dams. It was a magnificent project, for its time.
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The modern supermarket (what would any emperor of the ancient world think of commoners being able to choose from among 300 brands of ice cream? Of endless rows and columns of varieties of food, far more than what is required merely so that they can enjoy the convenience of choice? When you think about it, it's a triumph of human civilization!)
Well put. We should not forget, though, that this is not yet true for the majority of the world population, just a significant minority.

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Modern computer storage - you can't even find a hard drive small enough anymore these days that it can't store every book mankind has ever written. (Assuming low-res pictures, ect).
You underestimate the power of the market and the amount of stuff produced. The smallest drive I found was a 2 GB SSD. The smallest mechanical disk is 20 GB, the biggest 1.5 TB. Using their estimate of 64 TB, you need at least 42 HDDs for storing all books ever written. Which is a pretty amazing coincidence.

Anyway, much more impressive than the storage medium is the content. Any sizable university library has on-site the core of almost the entire knowledge of mankind. To me, that is a greater accomplishment than the supermarket.
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