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Old 10-July-2007, 08:24 PM
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I ran across globalwarminghoax.com and was wondering if anyone is aware of this site and whether or not what they have posted holds water?? Here is an excerpt.
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For example, Gore claims that Himalayan glaciers are shrinking and global warming is to blame. Yet the September 2006 issue of the American Meteorological Society’s Journal of Climate reported, “Glaciers are growing in the Himalayan Mountains, confounding global warming alarmists who recently claimed the glaciers were shrinking and that global warming was to blame.”

Gore claims the snowcap atop Africa’s Mt. Kilimanjaro is shrinking and that global warming is to blame. Yet according to the November 23, 2003, issue of Nature magazine, “Although it’s tempting to blame the ice loss on global warming, researchers think that deforestation of the mountain’s foothills is the more likely culprit. Without the forests’ humidity, previously moisture-laden winds blew dry. No longer replenished with water, the ice is evaporating in the strong equatorial sunshine.”

Gore claims global warming is causing more tornadoes. Yet the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change stated in February that there has been no scientific link established between global warming and tornadoes.

Gore claims global warming is causing more frequent and severe hurricanes. However, hurricane expert Chris Landsea published a study on May 1 documenting that hurricane activity is no higher now than in decades past. Hurricane expert William Gray reported just a few days earlier, on April 27, that the number of major hurricanes making landfall on the U.S. Atlantic coast has declined in the past 40 years. Hurricane scientists reported in the April 18 Geophysical Research Letters that global warming enhances wind shear, which will prevent a significant increase in future hurricane activity.

Gore claims global warming is causing an expansion of African deserts. However, the Sept. 16, 2002, issue of New Scientist reports, “Africa’s deserts are in ’spectacular’ retreat . . . making farming viable again in what were some of the most arid parts of Africa.”

Gore argues Greenland is in rapid meltdown, and that this threatens to raise sea levels by 20 feet. But according to a 2005 study in the Journal of Glaciology, “the Greenland ice sheet is thinning at the margins and growing inland, with a small overall mass gain.” In late 2006, researchers at the Danish Meteorological Institute reported that the past two decades were the coldest for Greenland since the 1910s.

Gore claims the Antarctic ice sheet is melting because of global warming. Yet the Jan. 14, 2002, issue of Nature magazine reported Antarctica as a whole has been dramatically cooling for decades. More recently, scientists reported in the September 2006 issue of the British journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society Series A: Mathematical, Physical, and Engineering Sciences, that satellite measurements of the Antarctic ice sheet showed significant growth between 1992 and 2003. And the U.N. Climate Change panel reported in February 2007 that Antarctica is unlikely to lose any ice mass during the remainder of the century."
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Gore claims global warming is causing more tornadoes. Yet the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change stated in February that there has been no scientific link established between global warming and tornadoes.

Gore claims global warming is causing more frequent and severe hurricanes. However, hurricane expert Chris Landsea published a study on May 1 documenting that hurricane activity is no higher now than in decades past. Hurricane expert William Gray reported just a few days earlier, on April 27, that the number of major hurricanes making landfall on the U.S. Atlantic coast has declined in the past 40 years. Hurricane scientists reported in the April 18 Geophysical Research Letters that global warming enhances wind shear, which will prevent a significant increase in future hurricane activity.
Well I can tell you that these are not true. both of these weather phenomena are chaotic in nature and yet tend to follow somewhat cyclic paterns. There is no evidence that hurricanes or tornados have been more frequent in recent years... we have had some busy hurricane seasons and some that were very quiet. As far as the severity of hurricanes, they have not been more powerful than others from the past, but it can be difficult to accurately measure how powerful a hurricane is using only secondary evidence. The same is true for tornados.
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For example, Gore claims
Stop right there.

That's your problem right there, any information about a complex topic given by someone who is trying to sell you a book about it is automatically unreliable. Look at the overall long-term data, as compiled and evaluated by experts, and only that. This is an issue that is far from settled even by scientists who've been studying it for decades, no celebrity or con-man... oops I mean politician is going to clear it up.
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Stop right there.

That's your problem right there, any information about a complex topic given by someone who is trying to sell you a book about it is automatically unreliable. Look at the overall long-term data, as compiled and evaluated by experts, and only that.

Believeing a professional con-man.. oops I mean politician, is a bad policy anyway.
Hey give Gore a break... after all he did invent the internet...
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Stop right there.

That's your problem right there, any information about a complex topic given by someone who is trying to sell you a book about it is automatically unreliable. Look at the overall long-term data, as compiled and evaluated by experts, and only that. This is an issue that is far from settled even by scientists who've been studying it for decades, no celebrity or con-man... oops I mean politician is going to clear it up.
OK I'm not all that interested in what Gore has to say but really on what the site has to say. Would you say the site uses Good Science?
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OK I'm not all that interested in what Gore has to say but really on what the site has to say. Would you say the site uses Good Science?
It's not science, period. It's an anomaly hunt - take something that somebody somewhere got wrong some time, and then try to insist that this tiny error invalidates a whole branch of science. Nothing but another version of cherry-picking the data.

The other classic example of a group that uses this technique to great effect is the Creationist movement.
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I don't believe that the website in question uses Science - let alone good science. It certainly isn't objective in it's view and seems to make the point that anyone that believes in Global Warming is some sort of Leftie tree hugger. Bleah! Sorry I looked at it.
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How ever in reference to the initial points listed by the OP, many of the points he lists are not true regardless of whether they should actually be attributed to gore. Hurricanes are not getting stronger and more frequent and neither are tornados. In fact during the last warm periods in this current interglacial the sahara desert was reduced in size.
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Hurricanes are not getting stronger and more frequent and neither are tornados.
NOAA appears to disagree with you on that point.
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NOAA appears to disagree with you on that point.
Perhaps, but storms were not named until recently. A storm receives a name once it exceeds a certain sustained power. Unfortunately for those doing research in this area, for storms that occured before the 50's or perhaps as late as the 70's there are no direct measurements for the power of many of these storms and their power is subject to interpretation from secondary evidence of the distruction they caused or eye-witness Testimony.
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Hapuna,
I would recommend the following websites for climate change information:
New Scientist website
grist.org
realclimate.org
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Hey give Gore a break... after all he did invent the internet...
Obligatory correction: Gore never said that he invented the internet. He did say that he was proud to be on the Senate committee that invested the government money to develop the precursors of the internet into the modern internet.
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Obligatory correction: Gore never said that he invented the internet. He did say that he was proud to be on the Senate committee that invested the government money to develop the precursors of the internet into the modern internet.
Yeah... but that doesn't have the same unfair bite....
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Obligatory correction: Gore never said that he invented the internet. He did say that he was proud to be on the Senate committee that invested the government money to develop the precursors of the internet into the modern internet.
He said that he took the initiative in creating the internet. How that is interpreted depends on how people feel about Gore.
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Surely, some people can think for themselves, regardless of how they feel about Gore -- no?
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Surely, some people can think for themselves, regardless of how they feel about Gore -- no?
Certainly, hence the different interpretations.
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The different interpretations are biased by people's opinion of Gore (according to you). I was rather referring to interpretations free of that bias.
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The different interpretations are biased by people's opinion of Gore (according to you).
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Oh. I thought you were asking if some people could "think for themselves." Having a bias does not mean that one is incapable of thought. In fact, different interpretations occur because people who think for themselves have different biases. As for interpretations without bias? Well, I haven't met many Vulcans or androids.
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It's perhaps impossible to think without any biases, but biases can be overcome one by one, once identified. It's quite easy in this particular case. Nevermind whether you like or dislike Gore: just track down the evidence.
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