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Old 28-July-2007, 05:24 PM
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Both of mine were really young when I got em and they had weaned early too, so I know what you are going through. Yea it actually worked pretty well with my cats. The bitterness lingers for quite a while on your tongue (I'm sorry I know that) so it's something that really makes them avoid the things it's sprayed on.
Unfortunately, what my cat has been chewing on lately is library books. (Wicked kitty!) No spraying those.
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It takes a force of will to a habenero pepper too, you know it's going to hurt. It still doesn't cause an involuntary reaction.
Generally speaking, things that taste hot in nature aren't poisenous to us humans.

Things that taste sour are.
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I have some bitter apple spray that is made to keep cats from chewing on things (like speaker wires) that I once got into my mouth. It didn't cause a shudder at all, but it was certainly not fun.
Really. Is this safe for soft plastics then, like wiring? They're not doing it as much but I've been at wits end trying to keep them from eating cables. Zoe has already destroyed my XBox360 headset. (Thankfully, not the most expensive headset I have, but I later caught her dragging that out of a shelf too.)
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Really. Is this safe for soft plastics then, like wiring? They're not doing it as much but I've been at wits end trying to keep them from eating cables. Zoe has already destroyed my XBox360 headset. (Thankfully, not the most expensive headset I have, but I later caught her dragging that out of a shelf too.)
Yea I sprayed it all over my speaker wires and phone wires and computer wires and even the softer rubber of my microphone cables. No harm.

Books though? Yea that's gonna be tough lol.
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Books though? Yea that's gonna be tough lol.
And only library books, the wicked thing.
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And only library books, the wicked thing.
Maybe it likes the crinkle-noise of the protective cover..
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He probably does. But I don't see a way to prevent that sensation.

Back to the OP, I think the sensation does have something to do with poisons. Capsaicin stimulates pain sensors, but it doesn't actually hurt us. A lot of sour and bitter things (and yes, I am aware of the distinction!) are poisons for humans; it's the most sensible explanation I can think of.
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Generally speaking, things that taste hot in nature aren't poisenous to us humans.

Things that taste sour are.
I can think of a lot of things that are sour that aren't poisonous, though. Most fruits and certainly all citrus fruits. And they are things that human beings and other primates really love. What sour things are poisonous? I guess rotten things, as mentioned above.

But certainly, things that taste bitter are sometimes poisonous. But certainly not always. I think that part of the niche of humans is to be able to eat bitter plants that other animals will not eat. There are lots of plants that are toxic to other animals, but that we (at least me) actually enjoy eating. Stuff like parsley, oregano, chocolate. They all include toxic substances (alkaloids and tannins and things like that) that keep herbivores away from them, but we often like them.
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We gained the ability to eat them through evolution, I guess our violent response to those chemicals didn't disappear as it can still be useful.
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We gained the ability to eat them through evolution, I guess our violent response to those chemicals didn't disappear as it can still be useful.
Some of us humans don't have a neural net advanced enough to protect us with knowledge.

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