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Old 12-August-2007, 02:29 AM
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I think the idea is that the predictions are being "fine tuned" as each new planet is discovered.
You mean "fine tuned" from being not accurate at all to being just not
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I also get the feeling from the main page that humanity wasn't meant to find these planets until now, and that they are only meant for our modern world.
youe after 5 centuries after the breakup of astrology and astronomy. During this time astronomers delevoped better telescopes and used the laws of motion to detect new planets and objects.
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astrology isnt really based on where stars are today- but where the light indicates them to be... they seem to forget that the stars have moved- but we are seeing light that has been travelling for a billion years (for some stars).
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astrology isnt really based on where stars are today- but where the light indicates them to be... they seem to forget that the stars have moved- but we are seeing light that has been travelling for a billion years (for some stars).
Astronomy's not much different in that regard.
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Old 12-August-2007, 08:21 AM
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Astronmy is actually- because it KNOWS that the star is in a certain position and where it is visible in a certain position
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It does NOT claim that the "Apparent" position influences your social life or when you will meet your girlfriend/ future wife.
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I seem to recall The BA mentioning that the astronomers are using star positions as they were centuries ago when making their "predictions". They haven't even cottoned on yet to the fact that the relative positions of stars, planets and constellations change thanks to precession and various other factors.
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They would like one of those 900x walmart telescopes that says that you can see "hundreds of planets".
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We stand at the cusp of an era when we could finally collect the data required to compute meaningful forecasts from astrology if such were possible. All that would be required is to set up a system like (or within) myspace or livejournal so that millions of people could record whether the previous day had been propitious for starting new relationships or business ventures, or ending things, or whatever the components of a standard forecast says for a given day. Participants would need to supply their date, time, and location of birth once, and fill out the questionaire as many days as possible, and quickly astrological computers could work to recognize the *true* patterns of life. I predict that the positions of the Sun and Moon will have some observable bearing (The Sun and Moon are aligned, it is a good day for a deep bottomed boat to leave the harbor).

So, though most of us would expect *no* planetary influences, the capability is finally here to even look.
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Or is it that there astrological predictions have been garbage up to now, because they didn't have all the information from all the planets, but once we identify ALL of them, and the astrologers sort out "the meaning" of each, then their predictions will be perfect.
You are correct in that all astrological predictions have been garbage, but I seriously doubt that finding more planets will improve the predictions, any...
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The simple answer is that astrologers have no interest in science, so have no use for an observatory!
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Any "science" that finds it adequate to divide the entire universe into twelve pieces, has no need of an observatory
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I seem to recall The BA mentioning that the astronomers are using star positions as they were centuries ago when making their "predictions". They haven't even cottoned on yet to the fact that the relative positions of stars, planets and constellations change thanks to precession and various other factors.
Where you wrote "astronomers", did you mean "astrologers"?
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Where you wrote "astronomers", did you mean "astrologers"?
I shall now flagellate myself in shame...

For some reason, I have to think before I use the correct word. Here, I didn't. When I'm talking, you can sometimes hear the slight pause as I think about it - "Astro-<pause>-nomers.
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astrology isnt really based on where stars are today- but where the light indicates them to be... they seem to forget that the stars have moved- but we are seeing light that has been travelling for a billion years (for some stars).
Astrology was based on which constellation the sun was during your time of birth.
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Astrology was based on which constellation the sun was during your time of birth.
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Astrology was based on which constellation the sun was during your time of birth.
Astrology in general is pretty broad...
That may be part of it.

But I admit- Im very IGNORANT about astrology and how it works
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I shall now flagellate myself in shame...

For some reason, I have to think before I use the correct word. Here, I didn't. When I'm talking, you can sometimes hear the slight pause as I think about it - "Astro-<pause>-nomers.
Good to know your proposed actions were almost commemorated by Flamsteed in his revised version of Argo Navis, where the unusual stellar display now known as Puppis was to be The Mast, upon which, after a couple of years, many captains cracked their quips. Personally I liked Flamsteed's Felix caudae novemae better than Carina, hauled or not.
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