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Old 04-September-2007, 07:15 PM
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World aviation record-holder Steve Fossett is missing and a massive search is under way in western Nevada, a Nevada aviation spokeswoman said Tuesday.

Fossett took off from a private air strip known as Flying M Ranch, 30 miles south of Yerington, Nevada, at about 6 p.m. local time Monday, with enough fuel for four to five hours of flight, according to the Civil Air Patrol.

Civil Air Patrol Maj. Cynthia S. Ryan said authorities are searching hundreds of miles of rugged terrain in western Nevada. They also are analyzing information from radar intelligence to try to track Fossett.
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Not good. Not good at all.

I'm not familiar with the Nevada desert, does the average surface there allow for succesful emergency landings?
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Hope it turns out well. Fossett is someone I admire for his sense of adventure and fun.
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Old 04-September-2007, 07:23 PM
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Not good. Not good at all.

I'm not familiar with the Nevada desert, does the average surface there allow for succesful emergency landings?
Mostly desert, so he won't have to worry about drowning. But a big mixture of mountains and flat areas.
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I just found a little more information here.

Fossett, 63, was last seen taking off from the Hilton Ranch south of Smith Valley in a single engine Citabria Super Decathlon heading south.
Civil Air Patrol Nevada Wing Mission Public Information Officer Maj. Cynthia S. Ryan said three crews are in the air looking for Fossett’s blue and white aircraft and that more are on the way.
“We will be launching more shortly,” she said.
The search area covers hundreds of square miles of rugged terrain. The Civil Air Patrol has called area airports looking for Fossett.


A Super Decathlon is a fun plane (I took my spin training in a regular Decathlon many years ago) but I don't know if that would be my first choice for a night flight, especially over rugged terrain. A Decathlon is often used as an aerobatic trainer and for intermediate class aerobatic competitions. As such, the stability is less than more conventional planes. Flying at night over sparsely populated terrain is more challenging due to a lack of visual references. Most Decathlons aren't set up for instrument flying and the lower stability makes it somewhat more challenging to fly under those conditions. Fortunately, the plane has a slow landing speed and rugged construction. If Fossett ran into trouble (such as an engine failure), then there's a pretty good chance that he could survive impact if he had the plane under control.

There's an old joke about what to do if you lose power in a single engined plane at night.

1. Fly the plane - keep it under control.
2. Set up the proper glide speed.
3. When you get near the ground, turn on your landing light.
4. If you don't like what you see, turn the light off.
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I hope they find him in one piece. One of the old-school of explorers, stuck in the modern era breaking records.

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Mostly desert...a big mixture of mountains and flat areas.
...and Nevada has the largest percentage of military-controlled land area of all the States...
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Having military controlled area is a good thing when you're lost, unless it's a minefield. I hope he's alright and this is just one more amazing story on his list.
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Steve Fossett is not the only thing missing.

http://www.stevefossett.com/

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It probably got real busy.

As usual, Wikipedia is current:

Wikipedia: Steve Fossett:

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Fossett was reported missing on September 3, 2007 after taking off in his single-engine Citabria Decathlon from a ranch in Nevada.
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Having military controlled area is a good thing when you're lost, unless it's a minefield.

It depends on whether the controlled airspace might hamper the search & rescue operations. I've read that over 80% of all the land in Nevada is owned by the federal government. Some of it is among the most restricted airspace in the country (e.g. Groom Lake). In the perhaps unlikely event that Fossett wandered into that airspace, it might present problems to the Civil Air Patrol and other searchers.
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Ah, that way. Well yes, you have a point there. But maybe, if the airspace is that restricted, the military were also able to track his craft.
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Not good. Not good at all.

I'm not familiar with the Nevada desert, does the average surface there allow for succesful emergency landings?
I'm a little rusty on my geography, but southern Nevada is pretty much sand and more sand. Unless he was spectacularly unlucky and the plane fell apart in midair, he won't be hurting for safe parking.
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Ah, that way. Well yes, you have a point there. But maybe, if the airspace is that restricted, the military were also able to track his craft.
Given that Fossett's a guy who's been around the block a few times, I'd have a LOT of difficulty believing he'd be anywhere near restricted airspace as a part of a normal flightplan.
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I'm a little rusty on my geography, but southern Nevada is pretty much sand and more sand.

Western Nevada is pretty rugged.

Google Map: Yerington, Neveda

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Fossett took off in a single-engine plane from a private air strip known as Flying M Ranch, near Smith Valley, 30 miles south of Yerington, Nevada, on Monday, with enough fuel for four to five hours of flight, according to Civil Air Patrol Maj. Cynthia S. Ryan
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Ryan said authorities are searching hundreds of miles of rugged terrain in western Nevada.
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I'm a little rusty on my geography, but southern Nevada is pretty much sand and more sand. Unless he was spectacularly unlucky and the plane fell apart in midair, he won't be hurting for safe parking.
Getting down safe is one thing. Nevada is mostly empty, so getting found (when people don't have a good idea where to look) is another.
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News reports say that he didn't file a flight plan. Unless he told someone where he's going, the searchers don't have much to go on. Nevada is big, largely empty, and often very hot. Even if he landed safely, he'd need to be found fairly quickly or dehydration would become a big factor.

I have not heard any reports of his ELT (emergency location transmitter) going off. ELTs normally activate automatically on impact (or a hard landing - don't ask me how I know). If he went down in rough terrain, the ground could be blocking the ELT signals.

Fossett is a very good pilot who no doubt has had a lot of survival training. If anyone could have survived this, he could.
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Ah, that way. Well yes, you have a point there. But maybe, if the airspace is that restricted, the military were also able to track his craft.
From CNN
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Ryan said authorities are analyzing information from radar intelligence to try to track Fossett.

Six search aircraft with three-man crews, coping with gusty winds, are taking part in the Nevada search. Helicopters and planes from Naval Air Station Fallon, in Fallon, Nevada, the Nevada Air National Guard and the California Highway Patrol are helping
I'm guessing that "radar intelligence" includes military tracking of their airspace.
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Teams searched a broad swath of rugged terrain in western Nevada near the ranch where he took off, but searchers had little to go on because he apparently didn't file a flight plan, a Federal Aviation Administration spokesman said.
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The search area is varied, ranging from high desert terrain with dry lake beds and sagebrush, but also some rugged mountain peaks, she said. Gusty winds were hampering the search and could end up suspending the air search effort, Ryan said.
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Branson said in a statement that Fossett's flight Monday was preparation for a shot at yet another mark: He was searching for dry lake beds that might be suitable for an attempt to break the land speed record in a car.
Let's hope he found a dry lake -- the walk-away-from way.

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"Steve is a tough old boot. I suspect he is waiting by his plane right now for someone to pick him up," he said. "The ranch he took off from covers a huge area, and Steve has had far tougher challenges to overcome in the past. Based on his track record, I feel confident we'll get some good news soon."
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...I'm guessing that "radar intelligence" includes military tracking of their airspace.
...including "a Nevada Air National Guard C-130 equipped with heat-sensing devices", according to one of TV's Talking Heads (i.e. Nancy Grace).
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