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Old 12-September-2007, 04:33 PM
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Check out this possible debris field. It's about 45 feet across, and there's nothing else like it around:

38°05'56.88" N 119°25'06.47" W

Make sure you update your google Earth with the latest KML file for the region in the search area.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/fossett/geoeye-color.kml
If you've got any reason to assume this may possibly be a crash site, I suggest you inform the people organizing this google earth search rather than waiting for people on BAUT to respond. Just maybe Steve Fossett is sitting there right now waiting to be found, and hours count in that case. They will not sue you if you happen to point out a dead tree or known crash site.

I don't have Gearth, so I can't look now. Maybe posting screenshots is a good idea, so that anyone can look at it. But I'd contact the Gearth search organisation first anyway.
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OK OK! But I don't know where to send it!

Meanwhile, check out this airplane:

Also, you do know that you can download Google Earth for free, right?

And using the mechanical turk thing doesn't require Google Earth, so you can still help out from the comfort of your home in Belgium.
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OK OK! But I don't know where to send it!

Meanwhile, check out this airplane:

Also, you do know that you can download Google Earth for free, right?

And using the mechanical turk thing doesn't require Google Earth, so you can still help out from the comfort of your home in Belgium.
Nice , seems like this is still in the air
BTW : the MechTurk works fine , also in Belgium ; have already crunched about 1000 Hits , but no Steve Fossett found till now .
As I said before , where are the other 400.000 people in order to get the job done ?
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I did about a thousand. You have to be careful to not go to fast. I was going about one every other second, and at that last fraction of a second I thought I saw a wing-like structure, but the mechanical turk won't let you go back to reexamine old hits.
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The problem for me is not the technicalities of Gearth or mechanical turk installation, but the simple fact that I'm often working on other people's PC, on which I won't install anything without asking.

It certainly is a plane, appears to be flying unless it crashed really soft . Maybe it was his plane. Anyway, maybe -if you find where- you should report it just to tell them "there's a plane there, appears to be flying, don't know if it's the type Fossett was flying"
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New technology is leading the way, but commanders and rescue experts say old-fashioned doggedness and a slow, methodical scouring of the harsh Nevada landscape by trained observers provides the best hope for finding millionaire adventurer Steve Fossett, dead or alive.
As the search stretched into its 12th day on Friday, Civil Air Patrol Maj. Cynthia Ryan said the operation may be tedious, but in the end, they usually find what they're looking for.
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Instructions on the Web site give an example of what to look for. One view shows a tiny outline of an airplane, shown in white silhouette.
The problem, skeptics say, is that it's unlikely Fossett's plane is intact.
"I would be surprised if we find it in one piece," Snyder said.
[CAP Major] Ryan said as far as she's concerned, the Internet satellite search is distracting at best.
"I don't mean to sound like a naysayer," she said. "I'm a total geek. I love technology. But in this case, it's a bunch of people trying to do something they don't have the training for."
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Nearly two weeks after Steve Fossett disappeared in the Nevada desert, authorities plan to assess the rescue operation as hopes dim of finding the adventurer alive.
Crews searched by air and ground Saturday for Fossett, who was last seen on Labor Day. But organizers with the Civil Air Patrol, Nevada National Guard and state emergency management said authorities plan to meet Monday to decide how to proceed with the operation.
Until then, the mission continues, officials said.
"We're still in rescue mode," Maj. Ed Locke of the Nevada Air National Guard said during a press briefing Saturday.
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I'm sorry I once compared him to Seto Kaiba. I didn't mean that he was villianous, just that he did lots of things that seem amazing and make us wish we were that rich, not because we want money, but so that we could have those adventures.
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Sadly, soon it may be "all over" but the conspiracy theories.
I don't think it's a conspiracy; I think his wallet was just too heavy and the plane couldn't handle the payload.

Sorry, couldn't help it. Really do hope that they can find him alive; but I think the chances of that are less than slim. It's tragic, but there's a lot worse things that dieing doing something you love after leading such an exciting and interesting life.
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The search for missing millionaire adventurer Steve Fossett in the rugged and remote high Nevada desert was cut back on Monday. The Civil Air Patrol, which had 20 planes and 60 searchers aloft over the weekend, suspended further flights and left two planes and a small team on standby at the airport here.

"We don't like to do that. It's against our nature to walk away from a search," Maj. Cynthia Ryan of the Nevada CAP said. "But at some point you have diminishing returns."
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Gary Derks, the state Department of Public Safety official in charge of the search, said the Air Force analyzed images picked up by radar and satellite and "picked up what could be Mr. Fossett, his track."
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Derks said the area stretches about 100 miles to the southeast from where Fossett took off Sept. 3, an airstrip on a million-acre ranch owned by hotel mogul Barron Hilton. Maps show the area would include Nevada's remote Silver Peak Range, close to Death Valley National Park in California.

"There's nothing definite, nothing concrete," Derks said. "These are just some hits that we want to track."
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While Google Earth images are updated fairly regularly for areas of rapid building (neighborhoods) from USGS images to help aid census information, images of rugged mountain terrain might be years out of date unless those who own the satellites and planes searching for Fosset are feeding the information directly to Google Earth.

Unlikely.

Flying over mountainous desert terrain at night is eary. Unless the moon is bright, it's extremely dark. With NVGs, it's highly unlikely Fosset would have been able to even see the desert terrain, much less select a suitable landing site.
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While Google Earth images are updated fairly regularly for areas of rapid building (neighborhoods) from USGS images to help aid census information, images of rugged mountain terrain might be years out of date unless those who own the satellites and planes searching for Fosset are feeding the information directly to Google Earth.

Unlikely.
DigitalGlobe owns the satellites and are feeding the images to Google.

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While most of the images used in Google Earth's 3-D tours of the world are anywhere from six months to three years old, the company can request more recent pictures taken from space.
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DigitalGlobe, which supplies much of Google Earth's imagery, confirmed that Google called upon the Longmont, Colo.-based company for help Wednesday. Unfortunately, DigitalGlobe didn't have any pictures available from the area where Fossett took off Monday, said company spokesman Chuck Herring. DigitalGlobe doesn't expect to get any more images from that part of the country again until Saturday.
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...images of rugged mountain terrain might be years out of date...
Not only that possibility, but Nevada is home to a vast array of operational and secret military resources that one might think would be intensively surveilled with the very 'latest and greatest' in technology.
Wonder how things would progress had it been a missing military pilot, vs. a civilian.
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Not only that possibility, but Nevada is home to a vast array of operational and secret military resources that one might think would be intensively surveilled with the very 'latest and greatest' in technology.
Wonder how things would progress had it been a missing military pilot, vs. a civilian.
The military pilot would have told everyone where he was going and what route he was taking. Much easier to find that way
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Relying on new leads from Air Force experts, crews...plan to comb a rugged area near Death Valley by air and foot...the Air Force analyzed images picked up by radar and satellite and “picked up what could be Mr. Fossett, his track.”...the area stretches about 100 miles to the southeast from where Fossett took off Sept. 3...Search planes will fly over the area Saturday and Sunday...
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Is it long enough that we should stop worrying/praying? It is disheartening, but then I think of Lincoln Hall and...
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Honestly, when we're being realistic:

-the fact that he never managed to set his wristwatch auto beacon, is an indication that there may have been a severe crash in which case he never had a chance.

-the fact that he didn't manage a beacon afterwards could indicate he wasn't capable of doing so, which would extremely limit his chances of surviving 3 weeks

-if he simply can't make a beacon, at least one that is noticed, and he's not significantly wounded, he either couldn't sustain resources in which case he'd have died soon, or he could have managed to find a sustainable way of surviving in which case 3 weeks isn't that long.

So in short, I don't think chances of survival are high, but if he survived say the first 10 days, 3 weeks or a bit more isn't the largest problem. If he was still alive by that time, he knows how to pull it longer too. Certainly Fossett.

I haven't given up all hope, but I don't think chances of finding him alive are high.
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Is it long enough that we should stop worrying'/praying?...
No, not that; what and when did the USAF have their "new leads"?
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Not to be insensitive, but I think it's time to start wondering (aloud) just how many other human beings people would go this far out of their way to try to find.

For a guy who is positioned as somewhere between Bear Grylls and Allan Quatermain, there sure is alot of anxiety.

Articles even mention that in the zealous effort to find this intrepid survivalist, they've stumbled across wrecks they didn't even know about...or assumedly bothered looking for as hard. Nice.
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...or assumedly bothered looking for as hard. Nice.
I suppose that's a possibility--and it may be true--but since they haven't found his, maybe the ones that they have found are just like his: they weren't in the place where they were looking before.
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So who is the low end of that scale? Grylls or Quatermain?
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[...] analysis of radar data and satellite images from Sept. 3, the day Fossett disappeared in a small plane, led Air Force technicians to believe they had spotted clues to his route.
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The area being searched was southeast of hotel magnate Barron Hilton's million-acre ranch in western Nevada, where Fossett had been staying. Nothing was found by Sunday afternoon.
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The military pilot would have told everyone where he was going and what route he was taking. Much easier to find that way
That and they're tracked on radar because they're squawking and fly high enough to appear in the IFR system...
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According to AP, Branson announced yesterday that he was giving up the search.
Today, I post in sky blue for Mr. Fossett and his piloting.
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Is this easier to see?
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