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Old 03-October-2008, 12:43 AM
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Check out this possible debris field. It's about 45 feet across, and there's nothing else like it around:

38°05'56.88" N 119°25'06.47" W
Only about 25 miles away (37 40.29, -119 08.54). Closer than Ed Dames. They found him at the end of a box canyon, as I suspected. You should only fly down canyons. Well, most bold pilots don't last as long as he did.
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Closer than Ed Dames.
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NTSB: Remains found at Steve Fossett wreckage site

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Oh my...yes and sadly this too:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7647732.stm

So sad. RIP Mr Fossett!

At least his family can now have some kind of peace and decent burial.
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The breakthrough — in fact, the first trace of any kind — came earlier this week when a hiker stumbled across a pilot's license and other ID cards belonging to Fossett a quarter-mile from where the plane was later spotted in the Inyo National Forest. Investigators said animals might have dragged the IDs from the wreckage while picking over Fossett's remains.
A couple IDs, a jacket, a thousand bucks, what kind of packrat was this? Seems almost human.
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At least we have some idea of what happened now. Poor, poor* guy.

*In the sympathetic, not the economic sense.
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Old 03-October-2008, 11:57 AM
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Reminds me of Patsy Cline (what a doll)....another Large Head-on Collider. Poor things!
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The news reports mentioned not finding the body.

This is surprising?
A year ago, the plane managed to launch its engine 300 feet from its body.

I'm fairly certain that there remains little of Steve Fosset to be found.
Yet, without it, the conspiracy theorists will go right on claiming he faked his own death just like Tupac Shakur and Elvis.
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Erm, they have now found body parts, see posts and links above .
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Erm, they have now found body parts, see posts and links above .
Oh.
Rats keep updating the story...
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Searchers for Aviator Spot Wreckage in Mountains

I'm not greatly familiar with all American usages, but does this sound odd to U.S. ears?
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Mr. Fossett… was the first person to circumvent the world in a hot-air balloon
Perhaps the NY Times meant "circumnavigate." The nearest definition of circumvent is "to encircle an enemy in order to defeat" but it doesn't seem to mean "encircle the world." It is usually used to mean variations of "thwart."
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I suspect the writer garbled up a typo and hit CHANGE on the first hit in the spell checker...

But bad editing nonetheless.
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...circumvent, definitely grating....

....calling Mr William Safire....
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RIP, big guy.
He died doing what he loved to do. Maybe a more fitting end then in some hospital bed from a chronic illness.
Fly high Steve Fossett.
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Old 03-October-2008, 07:27 PM
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CNN has an interesting video story about a project Fosset was sponsoring before he died. He was the sponsor for a radical submarine that was going to be able to dive to the deepest part of the ocean and "fly" (design appears to be heavily influenced by aviation concepts). The sub was just a few weeks from being ready to go when Fosset disappeared. It had already been pressure tested but is now sitting in a warehouse.

I'd seen something about this sub on a Discovery Channel program but had no idea Fosset was behind it. It doesn't surprise me. Fosset loved to push the edges so "flying" to the bottom of the Marianas Trench would be right in character for him. It could also be very useful for scientific purposes. Somebody needs to find a way to get that sub running. It would be a lasting tribute to a fascinating man.
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Would 20 million do? Just thinking about a fitting way to use the insurance money (assuming his family doesn't really need 20 million, given his fortune...)
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He was also starting a project to break the land speed record held by Thrust SSC - he had purchased Breedlove's Spirit of America car. Infact, he was flying around, I believe, to find a new venue to test it (instead of Black Rock)
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Great picture, Swift. That sub should be built for sure! Maybe I'll tell my friend at NOAA.
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Old 03-October-2008, 10:21 PM
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The sub has already been built and pressure tested. It needs to be used! Think about it, a small and highly maneuverable submarine capable of going anywhere in the Earth's oceans! The video link said it can dive very quickly (less than two hours to the deepest place on Earth) and surface quickly. It doesn't look like it needs a tremendous amount of surface support, either, making it relatively inexpensive to operate. There is so much about the deep oceans that we don't know. Remember, those ecosystems around the deep ocean vents were discovered in 1977.
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Used, I mean. Stupid typo.
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thanks for the link, L J!
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Looks like the DNA investigation may have something more to work with this time, depending on how much tissue can be sampled.

Fossett driver's license found near crash site

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-- Two bones and a driver's license with Steve Fossett's name have been found near the site where Fossett's plane crashed in eastern California, authorities said Thursday.

The bones appear to be human, and DNA testing will determine whether they belong to the adventurer, Madera County Sheriff John Anderson said at a news conference.

Searchers found "two large bones," the driver's license, a pair of shoes and a $100 bill on Wednesday, Anderson said.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7707397.stm

Rest In Peace Mr Fossett!
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Interesting. The crash site is just outside the initial search area, and a good distance from the "mountain" search area. I wonder how far off this flight plan he was?

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Only about 25 miles away (37 40.29, -119 08.54). Closer than Ed Dames. They found him at the end of a box canyon, as I suspected. You should only fly down canyons. Well, most bold pilots don't last as long as he did.
I'm sorry he didn't have the IP (instructor pilot) I had when I was first learning to fly.
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Discovery Channel: Steve Fossett, What Went Wrong?

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Greatest aviator in the world? Hmmm ...
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Greatest aviator in the world? Hmmm ...
Agreed.

Steve Fossett achieved some serious aviation milestones, no doubt about it. However, "great aviators" don't fly in IMC (instrument meteorological conditions) with no instruments and no instrument rating. They don't scud run (running under a low-lying deck of clouds). They're not apt to fly up box canyons in such conditions, particularly without knowing a simple maneuver which can be performed using basic instruments that'll put you on a reverse course out of a box canyon on the same track in which you entered.

Put simply, he was a "daring aviator." He was not a great aviator.

Why must the media exalt the dead well above reality, particularly when their passing was due to their own ineptness?
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...He was not a great aviator...
Oh, do give us your list of greats.
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Aviators that do not take risks they're not optimally prepared for, know their limits, and when they get into trouble, show excellent skills of getting out of them.

Fossett did some amazing things and I respect him for that, but to put it simple: he would not be my first choice as my personal pilot. Second choice maybe.
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