The tank on one of my toilets started leaking into the bowl pretty bad, and that presented me with an opportunity to say something I wanted to say in context, but never had the opportunity. I went to the local hardware and when asked what I needed this fine day, was able to reply, with relish, "I need a Crapper flapper, you know, a flapper for my Crapper."

Much mirth and merriment ensued. The guy who waited on me said, "Richard, you've been wanting to say that for years, haven't you?" Yes, indeed I have.

And this presents an opportunity to remember dear old Thomas Crapper:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Crapper

Contrary to legend, he didn't invent the flush toilet, but he apparently sold a lot of them, bearing his name, "T. Crapper & Co." Remember, Crapper is a proper name.

-Richard

Flushed With Pride would make good reading material for certain encounters I would think.

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publius who have such a potty mouth.

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But when you actually say 'Crapper', can others see the capital 'C'?

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http://www.thomas-crapper.com

They make "period" reproductions of the old style fixtures. Made in Britain, too. I wonder if you can get them here. You know, that would be hoot to have a genuine "T. Crapper"......... Bet it would cost a fortune to get one here, though.........


-Richard

"I've got something to say, it's better to burn out than to fade away".

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LOGIC, n.
The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding.

In the Year 2525.

"One small step for (a) man. One giant leap for mankind".

If an astronaut doesn't need good grammar, niether does you.

Host of Seraphim

Okay, if Crapper is like Smith or Cooper, what did his family do back in the old country?

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I understand that was a corruption of the term for sheet slitters. Their motto was the following:

I'm a sheet-slitter
I slit sheets
I'm the slickest little sheet-slitter
That ever slit sheets


Recite that really fast for proper enunciation -- a good dose of ethanol can do wonders for proper enunciation as well. I'm not clear on the connection, but somehow sheet slitting led to development of better sanitary devices.


-Richard

I bet it can.

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And so it was, however late . . .

But what did he have to do with dice games??

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This reminds of the low flow toilet fiasco. I'm certain Thomas Crapper swirled around in his grave. I made the mistake of getting one of those early models, truly the crappiest Crappers ever made.

I understand the newer ones aren't as bad and will do the job most of the time, but I'm not going to try them. I'm holding on to my old 5 gal flush toilets forever.


-Richard

Really? I haven't drank that much since my college days.

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-Richard

Dave Berry has been one of the leaders of the anti-low-flow toilet movement. Here's one of his classics:

http://www.taholden.com/toilets.htm

Note the suggestion to drop them via bombers on Capitol Hill. I should have saved that piece of manure I bought 10 years for that purpose. I threw it away, after taking a sledge hammer to it and pulverizing it. Really, I did, so much distress that thing caused me.

House builders get so many complaints about 'em, they're trying to develop real-world testing procedures to determine just how well a particular design can move and dispense of what Berry refers to as "Geraldo". There is a secret formula involving fermented bean curd that simulates real world human Geraldo very well.

The low-flow T.C's have set back sanitation centuries.

-Richard

It's all down hill from here.

I would say it is all going down the drain.

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From a plumbers perspective, I hate them and I love them.

I could love them for giving me more work. But even then the amount of work isn't significant. Most people get it working again on their own before calling a plumber.

I hate them for obvious reasons and, when asked, assure my customers that low flow is NOT the way to go...

When people say the food in the Navy is pretty good its usually the case. Except for the ship I was on. When guys from other outfits asked what the food on our boat was like we would say, " Say "ship food" five times really fast"

Go ahead, try it.

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Tell me something, Neverfly. Most of the plumbers I know hate LF toilets as much as I, and Dave Berry, do. However, the top brass, the various big plumbing associations are all for the mandates. A certain group of politicians vowed they were going to get rid of the LF law but couldn't even get it out of committee (which taught me a valuable lesson about that group).

What blew my mind was it was opposition by Big Plumbing as much as the tree huggers that defeated it. Why is that? The cynical answer is simply more sales and work for them, I know, but still you'd think the rank and file would have more influence. I mean Big Plumbing was violently opposed to repealing the LF. Yet every plumber I know will curse them with relish. They don't like them, don't like having to deal a toilet clogged full of the Geraldo, and don't like the grief they get from the customers. Yet, Big Plumbing is all for it.

Me, I believe I would just go dig a hole and build an outhouse before I'd use one of those LFs again. Another thing is the LF shower heads. I'm out in the country on a well, and the pressure (30 - 50psi at the tank) would drop low enough to cut the shower head off completely before the pump would kick back in. That's when I learned about the little restrictor and popped that sucker out and finally had a decent shower again. The things are fine if you've got 70psi city water, but not for typical well pressures. But no, they have to mandate it for everyone, can't sell any non restricted shower heads anymore.

-Richard

Many of you may be thinking this is a bit silly. It's not. A properly functioning toilet is one of those things we tend to take for granted. A poor flusher and frequent clogger will change that perspective. This is a report on "real world" performance of the LF (1.6 gal) toilets.

http://www.cuwcc.org/Uploads/product...nal-Report.pdf

It goes into detail on the testing methodology. Toilets that pass some of the standard tests can perform poorly with real world "material". You'll see how they simulate that with the "bean paste". Again, you might laugh, but this is serious business.

The toilets are given a weight rating in how much material they can clear. This gram rating is all important. Note that some big names in American plumbing perform very poorly. The average, uh human "payload" is supposedly 250g. Note that some of these big names can't even make that. Those are the ones that will make you ready to go to war.

500g is what you need to shoot for.

Apparently Toto is the best, with a model with a 900g rating. I'm going to remember that if I ever have to get a new one.

Again, this is not something to laugh it. Well, we can laugh along for fun but we need to realize how serious proper toilet engineering is now with this 1.6gal LF crap.

-Richard