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Old 19-October-2007, 06:32 PM
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I had never realised how hideously white this board is.

"They, them, the blacks, black people."
I'm willing to bet that no one here is black.
Including me.
And if there were, I'm afraid that they won't come back.

Everyone here is very polite, but with an arm's length air, as if no one has ever talked to, known a black person - there I go! We, that is white people, the whites, us, have anawful legacy to work through still.

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I can't agree, since one of the first posts to this thread was by a black person.
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Old 19-October-2007, 06:36 PM
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Everyone here is very polite, but with an arm's length air, as if no one has ever talked to, known a black person - there I go! We, that is white people, the whites, us, have anawful legacy to work through still.

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In todays environment - white people do have to be very polite with an arms length air on this subject lest we be branded a racist or bigot or what have you. It's not really a subject non-minorities can discuss candidly.

I grew up in a largely minority neighborhood. Years of first hand experience taught me that one can not just be candid regarding this subject matter.
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I had never realised how hideously white this board is.

"They, them, the blacks, black people."
I'm willing to bet that no one here is black.
Including me.
And if there were, I'm afraid that they won't come back.

Everyone here is very polite, but with an arm's length air, as if no one has ever talked to, known a black person - there I go! We, that is white people, the whites, us, have anawful legacy to work through still.

John
Ehm, just skimming over the thread here, I'm pretty sure 3rdKnight will take issue with the Pale Complexion Theory. While not black, I'm also sure that Suntrack2 and some of our non-white, non-black members might find themselves scratching their heads at your assertion.

Thou shalt never assume.
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Spock, buying a set of clubs and greens fees on public courses (which aren't much) puts the sport within the means of a modest middle class income. There's a whole economic spectrum of us that exist between inner city poverty and "rich".
I grew up modest middle class. My parents could have encouraged golf if they felt like it - but it would have been cost prohibitive. It would have required sacrifice to encourage it the way one would have to participate to join the pro ranks. There were far more important things to spend money on that were chosen instead. I had a school yard and basketball court right behind my house. I could've practiced a few hours a day, every day if I had been so inclined.

Just because they are capable of it - doesn't mean it's a choice people of limited means will make. Bottom line is it's not as inexpensive nor as widely supported by the community as Basketball, Baseball, or Football are.

We are discussing the disparity in professional athletics - not just weekend warriors here, correct?
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I'm willing to bet that no one here is black.
How much?

There are some I'm sure. Do we really need a poll for this?
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Old 19-October-2007, 06:51 PM
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This just popped up on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science...ace/index.html

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Nobel laureate biologist James Watson was suspended Friday from his longtime post at a research laboratory and canceled his planned British book tour after controversial comments that black people are not as intelligent as white people.
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Do we really need a poll for this?
We´d need defniitions first.
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I had never realised how hideously white this board is.
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I also fail to understand why, even if the board is predominately white - why does it have to be "hideously" white. If this was a predominately black board and you were to call it "hideously" black - how would that be received? Sometimes things just are. This is a largely anonymous message board freely accessable to all who are interested in the subject matter and are willing to post within the rules. If the majority of the people happen to be white - so be it. If they aren't - again - so be it. I don't see why it's necessary to lable it "hideously" anything.
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Old 19-October-2007, 07:27 PM
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I think Spock Jenkins pretty much nailed it.

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We´d need defniitions first.
That's not too hard. On the scale of 1-5. Or use this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M...n_hue_equi.png
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What race are the green-skinned people?

That map is obviously "false-color", to use a term we are familiar with from astronomy.
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Old 19-October-2007, 07:35 PM
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I had never realised how... white this board is.
I never realized you were prone to assessing someone's race without actually seeing him or her!

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"They, them, the blacks, black people."... as if no one has ever talked to, known a black person
If you looked at it without bias, you'd see that other races are referred to in just the same abstract terms. It's because statistical data about people is always referred to with third-person plurals, because it's about some large number of people who identities don't need to be specified, aren't relevant, and are mostly unknown to the speaker. There's no other way statistical data can be talked about, because statistics isn't about individuals that you or I know.
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And in a British TV documentary that aired in 2003, Watson suggested that stupidity was a genetic disease that should be treated.
mmm I can't disagree, perhaps it has an timed trigger.
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What race are the green-skinned people?
I'm green, and I am offended.

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Old 19-October-2007, 07:49 PM
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mmm I can't disagree, perhaps it has an timed trigger.
Good one!

The timer just popped and he shot himself in the foot.
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Old 19-October-2007, 09:44 PM
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Why assume what race most posters are? I don't think the majority have identified their particular race/ethnicity. Since the comments in the OP that started this ball rolling were about black people in particular, then it makes sense to say "blacks/black people" in the responses.
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My human form is Mediterranean, thank you very much.
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Old 19-October-2007, 10:17 PM
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My human form is Mediterranean, thank you very much.
So, you're stay on Earth is a temporary assignment.
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I'm sure I have some black ancestors in the mix too. Well-travelled Mediterranians got around, if you know what I mean. In between the Phoenicians and Carthaginians, somewhere.
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