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Old 01-November-2007, 09:06 AM
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CELEBRITY chef Antony Worrall Thompson last night led a revolt against cancer experts who warned we should NEVER eat bacon.

He hit out after medics who carried out the world’s biggest study on cancer linked the killer disease to processed meats.
My expectation now is that some schools, hospitals and possibly some staff canteens and some restaurants may pull the plug on serving bacon on the grounds they do not want to be at risk from a theoretical law suit brought by cancer sufferes because they were served bacon.

If I was a catering manager in a public institution I probably would pull the plug, to avoid possible litigation and so we could say we were being responsible, such is the nature of our litigious society
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Old 01-November-2007, 09:25 AM
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I've seen how some English people eat and I'm very concerned about their bowels. Here in Australia I'm also concened about some people's bowels, but the situation is better here as we have had year round fresh fruits and vegetable for longer and for cheaper than the British.

But banning bacon all togther instead of insuring you're not eating too much and your overall diet is healthy is kind of silly. After all, drinking too much water will kill you.

Fortunately we have this thing in Australia we do when rules get too silly. It's called not paying attention to the rules, or not obeying. I'm sometimes surprised how people who complain about regulations don't seem to realize this is an option. Maybe because our country was blessed with so many convicts we have a natural advanatage in this area.
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Old 01-November-2007, 09:32 AM
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I also notice the panel's ten commandments are different from what the CSIRO reccomends here in Australia. Here frequent eating of red meat isn't considered such a problem provided it is lean. Also being lean isn't considered terribly important provided a person eats well and exercises regularly. A moderate amount of extra weight on a person who otherwise leads a healthy lifestyle doesn't appear to be a large risk factor.
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If we didn't eat everything that researchers said would cause cancer, we'd end up having to photosynthesize. And then some chucklehead would remind us that the Sun causes cancer.

You know what? Screw'em all. Most of these cancer studies are exercises in statistical masturbation. I'm frankly sick of it. Anything to excess is lethal to some extent or another. This nanny statist alarmism and litiginous witch hunting is the ultimate result of people untrained to take responsibility for their own actions. Its the food's fault their sick, its the servers fault they ate too much of it.

Let'em die miserable. We'll be less miserable when they're gone.
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In spite of the angry vulgarity of your post Doodler...

You hit the nail on the head.

It's disgusting all the same... And I'm tired of it too.

I'm gonna die. Nothing can stop that. Gimmie some bacon and a Dr Pepper and Fried eggs. Ill die happy.
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Well, studies are studies. If they are properly conducted we shouldn´t dismiss them because they give conclusions we don´t want to hear about. I´m against all kinds of prohibitions, but I guess goverments have concerns about the overload on the public health system stemming from bad eating habits.

Eat what you want to eat, but be aware that bacon is really a nasty thing [however delicious it may taste].
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I wouldn't pay much attention to a second hand report in the Sun. I'd be more interested in finding out what the study actually showed. For all I know from the article it may be that bacon isn't the problem at all but the consumption of bacon is correlated with other unhealthy behaviour that results in an increased chance of cancer.
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Mmmmm..... bacon, the candy of the meat world.
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It's just the natural argument from outrage that occurs everytime we hear something we don't like. Make another law to protect us from ourselves. People want this, people demand this, it's pathetic. People in a California community think fast food is bad. Instead of just showing the power of the consumer by not purchasing the fast food, they want the govt to make a law, banning fast food chains from opening in their district. So the new devil is bacon. MMM baaacooon! I am with you Frantic, try and take my bacon away from me.
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After all, drinking too much water will kill you.
True, and it's called hyper-dihydrogen monoxidosis.

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We have two problems:

1. People are too fat.

2. Pigs are too fat which contributes to the first problem.

I think the solution is simple. Let people eat all the bacon they want but with the condition that they have to catch the pig first. This way both people and pigs will lose weight. For really fat people (or really fat pigs) we will grease the pig first so it will require extra effort. However it would probably be best to use a non-edible grease. For extreme cases will will let the pigs chase people.
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If you don't agree with that study, don't worry, there'll be another one along next year that contradicts it.

That's why no one study should ever determine your eating (or anything else) habits, but rather the overall weight of scientific evidence.
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We have two problems:

1. People are too fat.

2. Pigs are too fat which contributes to the first problem.

I think the solution is simple. Let people eat all the bacon they want but with the condition that they have to catch the pig first. This way both people and pigs will lose weight. For really fat people (or really fat pigs) we will grease the pig first so it will require extra effort. However it would probably be best to use a non-edible grease. For extreme cases will will let the pigs chase people.
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I've seen how some English people eat and I'm very concerned about their bowels. Here in Australia I'm also concened about some people's bowels,...
I find that I've never really been concerned about other peoples' bowels. Well, maybe with exception of Kaptain K, who I trust is doing OK post-operation.

I do tend to be concerned as to whether or not my bacon has been properly cured, hopefully with a touch of hickory or maple.

On the other hand (besides five greasy fingers), plain bacon seems to work best in BLTs.

For the anti-bacon folks, I recommend a viewing of the "Scrap Iron Chef" episode of Good Eats.
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If we didn't eat everything that researchers said would cause cancer, we'd end up having to photosynthesize. And then some chucklehead would remind us that the Sun causes cancer.

You know what? Screw'em all. Most of these cancer studies are exercises in statistical masturbation. I'm frankly sick of it. Anything to excess is lethal to some extent or another. This nanny statist alarmism and litiginous witch hunting is the ultimate result of people untrained to take responsibility for their own actions. Its the food's fault their sick, its the servers fault they ate too much of it.

Let'em die miserable. We'll be less miserable when they're gone.
Are you certain you could be less miserable? BIG SMILEY HERE.

But seriously, I agree. Moderation, good judgement, physical activity.

If someone told me I would have a 30% chance of living a couple extra years, on average, if I gave up bacon, all other yummy processed meats like jerkey and all those glorious varieites of sausages, coffee, an occasional cigar, ever going near a big city, the great outrdoors, all the polluted indoors, and everything else they keep telling us not to do - I too would say ain't worth it. Gimme a beer and a knockworst, with a cigar and espresso for dessert.

I'll take 70 some years of enjoying all of life's little sins over 80 some years of living like a monk. Maybe ask me again when I'm 70 some though. LITTLE SMILEY HERE.
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2. Pigs are too fat which contributes to the first problem.
Are you sure about that? My understanding is that most pork produced here in the U.S. is leaner than it ever has been. It's not your grand pappy's pig, so to speak...and I've heard some chefs lament that fact. They claim that the leaner mass-marketed porcines don't have as much flavor as old-fashioned hogs and at least one I read about actively seeks out "heirloom" pork, IIRC.

But I've said it before, I'll say it again:

I smoke premium cigars. I drink fine wine, beer, and single malt scotch. I cook with pork fat and real butter. When I die, if I'm lucky, I'll choke on somthing that taste's good.
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Who me? I'm peachy. I find the occassional rant to be rather cathartic.
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All I know is meat from domesticated animals generally has a lot more fat than from wild animals (or game as they say in the U.S. - but I say it's not a game, it's deadly serious from the animal's point of view). And lean animals are what we are adapted to eating.

Glad to hear your pork isn't as fat as it used to be. My impression was that meat in the U.S. was very fatty compared to here.
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Considering what they usually serve in school cafeterias here in the U.S., I don't think they're really going to worry about a little bacon. In fact Americans eat more processed foods in general that anywhere else on Earth. So don't worry about bacon, it's not much worse than everything else we eat.
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I'm currently losing weight because the U.S. dollar is falling. When it's one to one with the Aussie squalor I'll come over and pack on some pounds. Not that I'll be intentionally gluttonous, that's just the way I think it works when you travel in the U.S.. I was planning to buy a car when I get there but now I think about it perhaps I should buy a bicycle instead.
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I'm currently losing weight because the U.S. dollar is falling. When it's one to one with the Aussie squalor I'll come over and pack on some pounds. Not that I'll be intentionally gluttonous, that's just the way I think it works when you travel in the U.S.. I was planning to buy a car when I get there but now I think about it perhaps I should buy a bicycle instead.
I have the same feeling too.

But I'm not losing weight though, I'm losing profit because of the decline of the US dollar value.
I plan on going out of town this coming end of November , but I changed my mind and will just spend the weekend in the park.

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All I know is meat from domesticated animals generally has a lot more fat than from wild animals (or game as they say in the U.S. - but I say it's not a game, it's deadly serious from the animal's point of view). And lean animals are what we are adapted to eating.

Glad to hear your pork isn't as fat as it used to be. My impression was that meat in the U.S. was very fatty compared to here.
You should have seen the chicken we ate in Kenya. After a few meals I got used to it, but it was a bit off-putting to eat chicken that lean and muscular at first. No huge super-juicy dripping-with-fat mouthfuls of mushiness; you actually had to bite it and chew it well.
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All I know is meat from domesticated animals generally has a lot more fat than from wild animals (or game as they say in the U.S. - but I say it's not a game, it's deadly serious from the animal's point of view). And lean animals are what we are adapted to eating.

Glad to hear your pork isn't as fat as it used to be. My impression was that meat in the U.S. was very fatty compared to here.
One of the grocery stores I go to is labelling the fat content of the meat they sell. It runs the gamut from 75% lean to 95%. Price variation's about a dollar per pound from fattiest to leanest.
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Bacon must be bad for you. Look at all the pigs that die because of it.

But seriously - we eat turkey bacon. Nice and crisp and lean. I can't stand soggy fatty bacon.
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