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Old 02-November-2007, 07:31 PM
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Wee boy this is going to get the CT people into an uproar ... crud, that counts my in-laws. Since this isn't space related I'll plop it into Babbling.

All things considered, and the fact that I think more than one country would have detected said use, I'm doubting the case, but still, here you go:

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Al-Jazeera: Strike on Syria was made by US Air Force with tactical nukes
The September 6 raid over Syria was in fact carried out by the US Air Force, Al-Jazeera's Web site reported Friday, quoting unnamed Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two strategic US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons executed the attack on a nuclear site under construction.

The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets only provided cover for the US fighter-bombers, which carried one tactical nuclear weapon apiece. The site was hit by one bomb and totally destroyed. The use of nukes might account for the fact that the suspected plant was effectively erased from the earth, with few if any traces remaining, according to satellite photos.
I'm not finding anything on Al-Jazeera's English site though.
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Old 02-November-2007, 07:38 PM
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidences, I´d say.
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Old 02-November-2007, 07:47 PM
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Hmm, looked through all the "news" channels, there's no mention, even from Fox News who you'd expect to brag about it if we Nuked someone.
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Old 02-November-2007, 07:53 PM
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Hmm, looked through all the "news" channels, there's no mention, even from Fox News who you'd expect to brag about it if we Nuked someone.
you would also figure the russians, british, and french would have all kinds of hissy fits about someone tossing nukes around.

seeing as I have seen photos of the site before the raid and after the syrians cleared the site, and there is a distinct lack of a crater, I would have to say that it seems that a nuke is quite unlikely.

But then, these are the people who think that certain unmentionable events in september were inside jobs, so why would we expect any reason?
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Old 02-November-2007, 07:58 PM
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Exactly. It's not like the USA hold that great a sway anymore, or ever. If we, or anybody for that matter, nuked somebody, other countries would be lining up decrying the event immediately. There's no way that all the world governments could be made to keep quite. Well, I guess the Illuminati could do just that, couldn't they? Probably explains why I lost my wallet a few months ago.
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you would also figure the russians, british, and french would have all kinds of hissy fits about someone tossing nukes around.

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Well, but would anyone really notice if the French threw another hissy fit?







Maybe it is true and the French are the only ones who know...
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Old 02-November-2007, 08:17 PM
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But then, these are the people who think that certain unmentionable events in september were inside jobs, so why would we expect any reason?
You mean it's not a conspiracy that they force us to go back to school?
(Just kidding, I know what you mean.)
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Given the work done by such groups as the The Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization , as shown during North Korea's weapon test, there is absolutely no way that anyone could have used tactical nukes at this site and not have it detected by multiple methods and by multiple countries and agencies.
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I'm not finding anything on Al-Jazeera's English site though.
Do you suppose that's a coincidence?

Jeers to Al-Jazeera, those jokers have zero credibility imo.
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Maybe this is just setting up Syria's explanation for any radiation detected at the site in future inspections--though any half decent inspection could probably tell the difference.
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Old 02-November-2007, 10:09 PM
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Drudge links to the Jerusalem Post, which also cites Al-Jazeera. There's Al-Jazeera .com and .net, (only one I think is connected to the network) neither has it on the front page. I tried the Arabic on the .net site, but couldn't deduce anything from the pictures. Anybody read Arabic?
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Apparently, these knuckleheads need to learn a little basic geography. If the US were to use nuclear weapons in the region, we'd probably be at war with the Israelis over it.

The fallout from nuclear weapons would probably end up getting dumped on just about every country in the region, friend and foe alike. The US has states larger than that region. You can't break wind in Damascus without people in Beriut and Tel Aviv smelling it.
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if anything, they might have used a fuel-air bomb.
i've heard/read that we used them in the first gulf war, and everyone in the area thought it was a nuke-you-ler blast.
or maybe just the MOAB we developed a few years back and dropped on a few caves in Afghanistan..
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Naw, it was a hafnium bomb.


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The fallout from nuclear weapons would probably end up getting dumped on just about every country in the region, friend and foe alike.
That's the image people get of nukes based on the most powerful ones of all, the metropolis-vaporizing "strategic" ones. But that's not what all nukes are like, and it's not the kind of nuke that was specified in this case. In this case, they said "tactical" nuke. That's a rather small, weak nuke, on the order of a few dozen kilotons instead of hundreds of kiltons or multiple megatons like most people think of. They'll blow up an enemy encampment a few miles downrange of your own troops without risking your own troops, or blow up a small section of a city (like a particular neighborhood or a shipping/warehouse/factory district) instead of the whole thing.
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When we have conventional bombs that do almost as much damage as a tactical nuke, why would we risk earning the world's ire, by using one? Using a nuke would turn even our strongest allies 100% against us.
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When we have conventional bombs that do almost as much damage as a tactical nuke, why would we risk earning the world's ire, by using one? Using a nuke would turn even our strongest allies 100% against us.
A MOAB is big enough for an explosion to look like a nuclear explosion to amateurs due to similar airflow effects (mushroom cloud), but the actual level of power is very different. Its power is equivalent to about a dozen tons of TNT, not a dozen or more kilotons like a tacnuc.
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Still, it would be a rather pointless thing to do, and put us in everyone else's doghouse.
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North Korea set off an incredibly wimpy nuke (500 tons?) and everybody in the world and their dog noticed, why would the US setting off a nuke be any different? A lot of nations have spy satellites flying around; if the US did set off a nuke half the industrialised nations on the planet would have to have been 'paid off' not to spill the beans.
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Be careful of this so called nuke strike... A well placed destruction of a nuke facility might leak some of its raw fuel maybe? ... Any indication of radioactive downwind readings as yet unfound... This i