Wee boy this is going to get the CT people into an uproar ... crud, that counts my in-laws. Since this isn't space related I'll plop it into Babbling.

All things considered, and the fact that I think more than one country would have detected said use, I'm doubting the case, but still, here you go:

I'm not finding anything on Al-Jazeera's English site though.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidences, I´d say.

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Hmm, looked through all the "news" channels, there's no mention, even from Fox News who you'd expect to brag about it if we Nuked someone.

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you would also figure the russians, british, and french would have all kinds of hissy fits about someone tossing nukes around.

seeing as I have seen photos of the site before the raid and after the syrians cleared the site, and there is a distinct lack of a crater, I would have to say that it seems that a nuke is quite unlikely.

But then, these are the people who think that certain unmentionable events in september were inside jobs, so why would we expect any reason?

Exactly. It's not like the USA hold that great a sway anymore, or ever. If we, or anybody for that matter, nuked somebody, other countries would be lining up decrying the event immediately. There's no way that all the world governments could be made to keep quite. Well, I guess the Illuminati could do just that, couldn't they? Probably explains why I lost my wallet a few months ago.

Well, but would anyone really notice if the French threw another hissy fit?







Maybe it is true and the French are the only ones who know...

You mean it's not a conspiracy that they force us to go back to school?
(Just kidding, I know what you mean.)

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Given the work done by such groups as the The Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization , as shown during North Korea's weapon test, there is absolutely no way that anyone could have used tactical nukes at this site and not have it detected by multiple methods and by multiple countries and agencies.

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Do you suppose that's a coincidence?

Jeers to Al-Jazeera, those jokers have zero credibility imo.

Maybe this is just setting up Syria's explanation for any radiation detected at the site in future inspections--though any half decent inspection could probably tell the difference.

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Drudge links to the Jerusalem Post, which also cites Al-Jazeera. There's Al-Jazeera .com and .net, (only one I think is connected to the network) neither has it on the front page. I tried the Arabic on the .net site, but couldn't deduce anything from the pictures. Anybody read Arabic?

Apparently, these knuckleheads need to learn a little basic geography. If the US were to use nuclear weapons in the region, we'd probably be at war with the Israelis over it.

The fallout from nuclear weapons would probably end up getting dumped on just about every country in the region, friend and foe alike. The US has states larger than that region. You can't break wind in Damascus without people in Beriut and Tel Aviv smelling it.

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if anything, they might have used a fuel-air bomb.
i've heard/read that we used them in the first gulf war, and everyone in the area thought it was a nuke-you-ler blast.
or maybe just the MOAB we developed a few years back and dropped on a few caves in Afghanistan..

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Naw, it was a hafnium bomb.


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That's the image people get of nukes based on the most powerful ones of all, the metropolis-vaporizing "strategic" ones. But that's not what all nukes are like, and it's not the kind of nuke that was specified in this case. In this case, they said "tactical" nuke. That's a rather small, weak nuke, on the order of a few dozen kilotons instead of hundreds of kiltons or multiple megatons like most people think of. They'll blow up an enemy encampment a few miles downrange of your own troops without risking your own troops, or blow up a small section of a city (like a particular neighborhood or a shipping/warehouse/factory district) instead of the whole thing.

When we have conventional bombs that do almost as much damage as a tactical nuke, why would we risk earning the world's ire, by using one? Using a nuke would turn even our strongest allies 100% against us.

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A MOAB is big enough for an explosion to look like a nuclear explosion to amateurs due to similar airflow effects (mushroom cloud), but the actual level of power is very different. Its power is equivalent to about a dozen tons of TNT, not a dozen or more kilotons like a tacnuc.

Still, it would be a rather pointless thing to do, and put us in everyone else's doghouse.

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North Korea set off an incredibly wimpy nuke (500 tons?) and everybody in the world and their dog noticed, why would the US setting off a nuke be any different? A lot of nations have spy satellites flying around; if the US did set off a nuke half the industrialised nations on the planet would have to have been 'paid off' not to spill the beans.

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Be careful of this so called nuke strike... A well placed destruction of a nuke facility might leak some of its raw fuel maybe? ... Any indication of radioactive downwind readings as yet unfound... This is rubbish. The world is watching. When a journalist consults his key bd as a source of story, anything could be said. It does not make it so.

Well, if it was a smaller tactical nuke...why the bomber? I've witnessed many an "elephant walk" of F-4Es taxiing for takeoff on a tactical nuke delivery exercise. I don't see why F-15s couldn't carry one to destroy a single target. Less resource intensive, don't ya think?

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seeing as I have seen photos of the site before the raid and after the syrians cleared the site, and there is a distinct lack of a crater, I would have to say that it seems that a nuke is quite unlikely.

No-no-no! The second bomb was used to blow-up the crater, destroying all evidence of the original attack. Isn't it obvious? [/glp]

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Maybe it was one of these

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Why planes? Isn't this what cruise missiles are designed to do?

(FTR, I think this N-bomb thing is a bogus claim.)

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That reminds me of a Charles Addams cartoon. An explorer is stepping into a jungle clearing, looking in shock at two ant hills. The hills are about six feet apart, from the hills are two converging armies. In the middle, where the two armies are meeting, there is a small mushroom cloud about three feet tall.

David.

Still no mention on the other "news" media.

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Notice that they didn't say "bombers"; they said "fighter-bombers". I was confuzzled by that at first, but then remembered that that was an old phrase for what are now called "attack" planes: designed for hitting ground targets like a bomber, but smaller, faster, and more maneuverable, like a fighter. The dedicatd "attack" class of plane was new once, in a world that already had fighters and bombers in it, so they described it in terms of what they were familiar with. The modern American attack plane is the A-10, named "Thunderbolt" or "Warthog". It's about the size of compact light fighters like F-16, F-18 (versions A-D), and F-35. The Arabic source probably just didn't know that such planes are now called "attack" planes in English. (They might still be called the equivalent of "fighter-bomber" in Arabic.)

I'm still not sure why there'd be only one such bomb apiece for multiple planes, though.

Most cruise missiles are not configured to carry nuclear warheads. Israel might not have any that are. I'm not even sure the USA does either; they might not exist at all.

There are many. As I understand, the cruise missile's original purpose was to carry nuclear weapons.

Here's one right here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129...Cruise_Missile

That carries a W-80 "dial a yield" warhead.

The familiar Tomahawk is also nuclear capable, but I think that was eliminated with one of the nuclear treaties.

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I doubt that the USA will be dropping nukes on anyone soon.
Imagine the noises that will follow, UN, EU, AU....and other arbitrary bodies (yellow peace, Greenpeace).
Not even a mad dictator will get away with that.

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