What is the best and worst case scenarios if the Lakota Indians follow through with their cecession from the USA?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317548,00.html
bearing in mind that 5% of white Caucasians in the USA show American Indian genes (and 10% show African-American genes).

It will be interesting to see if and how this plays out.
I wouldn't think there would be much of an effect, except for travel issues.

They might run the risk of being called "Indian Givers". (I know, not PC)

And how many Indians or African-American's show white Caucasian genes?

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Numbers are not case sensitive. (me)

Where did those numbers come from?

When I asked elsewhere why not just end the Reservations (because they seem to be such a bad deal for their inhabitants), I was told that the Indian Reservations were already independent from the USA so ending them would be assaulting and taking over a separate sovreign entity and taking away the peoples' last chance of maintaining their own identity. So, for this to be news indicates that either that was not really the case, or the land they're claiming some land that is not currently in Reservations (in which case they'd be trying to take over part of the USA!).

What does Phyllis Young mean about "taking... our children"?

Assuming there's no resistance and they do separate, there will still be complications to work out. Their electricity is from the same sources that Americans are using. Unless the borders happen to be right at the edges between watersheds, they'll be using the same water sources as Americans. American governments have taken taxes from them and rendered services to them; the ownership of properties they've helped pay for through taxes must be determined and possibly partially compensated for if they have no use for the property (like aircraft carriers), and the services must be cancelled or internally replaced. If there's been net transfer of wealth (a difference between what came out and what went in) then one country could owe the other money. Unless they have or obtain their own airports, visitors to their land from other countries would need to set foot in the USA first, which could get tricky when it comes to passports and security policies.

One source I've seen (a Wikipedia article, I think on miscegenation) said that the average black person in the USA is genetically 80%-93% black, with the rest usually white but sometimes Indian.

Not quite what I'm looking for, because it shows an average makeup, rather than the percentage that has the genes (as was stated in the OP).

But; I am making a point, we do share Genes. Quoting the numbers from just one side, kind of skews the perception of what the data actually means.

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I don't think the OP'ers reference to genes is really relevant here anyway. From the article it seems to have more to do with area and practicing heritage/political stance; and a cecession would not automatically make all people with x genetics a citizen or non-citizen.

The part that I think would be tricky/interesting, is how do you deal with two nationalaities sharing the same area? Since they would no longer be US citizens, how would they react to being barred from US rights/services, everything from unemployment and welfare to US tax-paid highways and the like? WRT welfare/unemployment, are members of a particular tribe/reservation included in those plans currently?

I don't know, but my cynisism tells me that, like other groups in the past, we'll see the cry for seperatism and exclusion from taxes/laws, but also a demand that they still get treated the same as the rest of the people who are not excluded from such things. I don't know the situation beyond what's in the article, and I don't know any of the people involved, so I'll try not to assume that's what will happen, but I get tired of people who want excluded from all negatives without giving up any of the corrosponding positives.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.

Best case? Martial law, revocation of tribal sovreignty, forced integration of tribal lands back to their respective states and a massive rush to develop former reservation lands. Basically, we revisit 151 years ago when they were put in their place with Federal Marshals instead of Federal troops.

Worst case? Mexico gets a promotion from its post as "Most Pathetic Nation in North America".

Russell Means is a loon.

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Ah, so he's an iconic fighter for Native American Rights... who happens to also not mind acting in roles that stereotype Native Americans. Isn't it nice when you're personal beliefs don't get in the way of your quest for financial gain?

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.

Since pure African-Americans of the Nat Kink Cole type http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCYApJtsyd0
are almost impossible to find today, a lot of miscegeneation must have take place.

Keanu Reeves, Burt Reynolds and Christian Slater are amongst many of still indentifiably Amerindian ancestry who are showing increasing fidelity to their tribal origins, claiming that "The American Indian knows all about the dangers of illegal immigration!".

In some misguided way, that was the point I was getting at.

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Ah yes, the "point"...that darned elusive thing that I never seem to have, or be able to grasp. One day I'll catch you, my dear point, and when I do, it will be....well, pointy.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.

Since pure African-Americans of the Nat Kink Cole type


Didn't he write a jazz version of Waterloo Sunset?

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No, that was Ray Charles Davies.

In regard to the topic of this thread: the Lakota are certainly welcome to try secession at a symbolic level. Eleven states attempted something more than symbolic secession once, but without success.

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I are Learnding.

I had a professor in college whose mother was forcibly removed from her family and taken to an "Indian school," which was basically about teaching them how to be white. (Note that I don't say Caucasian; my ancestors aren't from the Caucasus region.) Now, I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen anymore. In fact, my understanding is that Native American women can't even give their children up for adoption outside the tribe without the tribe's approval, and if any member of the family--no matter how inappropriate to raising a healthy child--wants the kid, the mother won't get that approval. However, it's a pretty unpleasant part of American history.

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What is it with humans, genetics and ethnic ancestry?

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In a case like this, it can be definitive.

ETA: In regards to the OP- this is interesting... I wonder what it all actually means though?

No, I mean why are so many of you so obsessively interested in it?

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Rovers forever! - ToSeek
"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song