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Old 17-January-2008, 02:34 PM
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Exclamation Plane crash at London Heathrow

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Reports coming in to Sky News

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A British Airways plane has crash landed at Heathrow Airport, hitting the ground several hundred yards short of the runway and narrowly missing a busy road.
Passengers were forced to dive off the Boeing 777 down inflatable chutes and onto the tarmac as emergency services rushed to the scene.
Full details of casualties when available.

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BA has set up a helpline for concerned relatives: 0800 389 4193
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Old 17-January-2008, 03:07 PM
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Update from Sticks' link above.

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Incredibly, only three passengers on the crashed plane suffered minor injuries, London Ambulance Service said.

BA chief executive Willie Walsh said: "We are very proud of the way our crew safely evacuated all 136 passengers on board with only three minor injuries."
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Old 17-January-2008, 03:10 PM
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Full details of casualties when available.
The story's bad enough that we don't need to start throwing the word casualties around. There are none. Luckily only 3 minor injuries.*

Forced to use the chutes? Isn't that just standard procedure...do we have to make it dramatic?

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Sky correspondent David Bowden, who is at Heathrow, said: "It looks as though ... if something did go very wrong with this plane, it must have happened at the very last minute.
Brilliant analysys Sherlock.

*Edit: apparently they updated the information rather quickly.
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Old 17-January-2008, 04:00 PM
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The story's bad enough that we don't need to start throwing the word casualties around. There are none. Luckily only 3 minor injuries.*
IIRC, in British English, the term "casualty" is also used for the injured. I have a similar problem when the Red Cross talks about "victims" in their first aid classes; I personally prefer the term "patient".
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IIRC, in British English...
Ah yes, good point, thank you. I'm calmer now.

Although I didn't see it while looking, I found enough shocking ones here that explains it. (Surgery = Dr's office? Yikes)
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The story's bad enough that we don't need to start throwing the word casualties around.
There are many contexts where "casualty" isn't a close synonym for "fatality". Heck, in naval parlance, one can correctly speak of casualties where nobody so much as chips a nail. (It's used to refer to some failure of a shipboard system that renders that system unusable until fixed.)
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Old 17-January-2008, 04:22 PM
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There are many contexts where "casualty" isn't a close synonym for "fatality"....
I use it as "unable to function". So, that can apply to more than just people. It also includes serious disabling injuries.

Anyway; CNN has already made it a non-story. It's already off the list of "latest news". (Although the Texas UFO is still there)

One experience passenger didn't even know it was a crash until he looked back at the plane, and noticed it wasn't on it's landing gear. He just thought it was a hard landing.

Judging from some of the early witnesses, it sounds like a mechanical issue where the pilot had just enough time to say "Oh my", and actually said something stronger.
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Forced to use the chutes? Isn't that just standard procedure...do we have to make it dramatic?
Maybe that's what led to the injuries.

Passenger: "I'm not going down that!"

Flight Attendant: "Oh, yes, you are!!"

(Not to make light, but it does seem as though it has turned out well.)
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There are many contexts where "casualty" isn't a close synonym for "fatality".
Oh. Casualty. Whew. I thought I was in an ATM thread that advocated no causality.
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Brilliant analysys Sherlock.
What was wrong with what the Sky reporter said?

If something went wrong with the plane (i.e, there was a malfunction as opposed to pilot error), then it must have occurred just before landing (i.e., not earlier, or the pilots would have had a chance to call it in).

Seems a reasonable thing to report.
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Incredibly, only three passengers on the crashed plane suffered minor injuries, London Ambulance Service said.
Yeah, the rest suffered major injuries.

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Forced to use the chutes? Isn't that just standard procedure...do we have to make it dramatic?
I'm more interested in that they were forced to dive down the chutes. Aren't you supposed to jump feet first?
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What was wrong with what the Sky reporter said?

If something went wrong with the plane (i.e, there was a malfunction as opposed to pilot error), then it must have occurred just before landing (i.e., not earlier, or the pilots would have had a chance to call it in).

Seems a reasonable thing to report.
There's nothing wrong with what the reporter said at all. The point is that it was so obvious it was hardly worth saying in the first place. Newscasters do it all the time, such as when they announce that someone has died and then say that relatives and friends are shocked and saddened by the news.
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Old 17-January-2008, 05:28 PM
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There's nothing wrong with what the reporter said at all. The point is that it was so obvious it was hardly worth saying in the first place...
Thank you...
And its the "if" that started my wheels rolling. "If" it were pilot error, it also must have happened in the very last minute.
Fact... It happened in the very last minute (during approach), that fact does not change "if" the cause were different.
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Way to scare-mounger!

Glad all are ok. Hope they get full service resumed ASAP, as I'm supposed to be flying in and out of Heathrow on Saturday.
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Yeah, the rest suffered major injuries.
Actually, some of them had minor injuries, but they didn't suffer them, they acually enjoyed them.
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Actually, some of them had minor injuries, but they didn't suffer them, they acually enjoyed them.
Or they will, once the settlement comes in.
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They're up to 17 minor injuries, more possible.

Heathrow crash plane 'just dropped'

And more "ifs" because the reporters are scared to claim anything. For example, the following statement would be fine without the word "if".

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The undercarriage, left wing and left engine of the aircraft were severely damaged, as if it had skidded across the ground. At least one of the plane's wheels had been torn off.
Anyway, if the rumor's correct, then the pilot did a great job.
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Yeah, the rest suffered major injuries.


I'm more interested in that they were forced to dive down the chutes. Aren't you supposed to jump feet first?
It's probably funner as a head first dive.
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