Have you ever met one of those people that gives you weird vibes?

I don't know how to explain it without using words like Aura or something.

Sometimes you meet a person that seems nice and all but you get this strange feeling of the creeps.

Sometimes you meet people that give you a sense of uncertainty or unpredictability.
It is like these folks are a little bit off, or off kilter. They talk normally and act normally but you get a vibe from them.

Any ideas one what causes this?
I have met many people that have this effect, although it seems to be outside of the normal, and I had theorized that it may be due to a chemical imbalance in their brain affecting the pheromones released or it may be due to drug/narcotic use, as zapping the brain with very heavy handed chemicals can have some interesting effects.

Yet recently I have been told some things that make me question that.

Any ideas one what causes this weird vibes? Is it outside a persons control? Is it situation dependent- that is to say that they do not always put off weird vibes, but only during a stressful situation or when nervous?

What evidence do you have that it's them, and not maybe you? Just curious.

That's a really good question.

And I don't have an answer- this entire topic is a total mystery to me which is why I'm asking about it.

I was thinking about Ted Bundy and others, about whom no one seems to have reported bad vibes.

The next question is does a weird vibe mean there is something wrong with the person in question?

If the majority of people feel they get a weird vibe from one individual, does that make them all wrong? Or is it that one individual?

Yes, I have. Having lived in several different countries overseas, I've had the interesting pleasure of communicated via "pointy-talkee," er, body language. It works quite well. Some estimate humans unknowingly rely on between 40% and 80% of body language signals, rather than verbal.

On occasion, whether I spoke the same language or not, I have picked up on certain cues upon which I've vamoosed (Canadian for "gotten the hell out of there").

The two occasions when I hadn't acted on my instincts, I was rolled (mugged and robbed).

So, yes, I'm a firm believer that we should act on our hunches when it comes to avoiding certain people. It may not be accurate, but if it was, it will have avoided, perhaps, a serious and possibly very bad incident.

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I thought of this too. That there is a basic natural selection reason for it.

That happens to me, both in daily life and even with people on TV. It usually tells me who the bad guy in a mystery is before any clues are even found!

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I'm not sure if this counts as "vibes" when it's a character on T.V.

I'm talking about personal interactions and perceptions.

I specifically termed it "weird vibes" also because I'm hoping to cover vibes in general- not just a vibe that suggests someone may be harmful or dangerous.

Like I said- no one seemed to think Bundy had bad vibes.

That's not entirely true. It's true that few women seemed to have bad vibes from him--Ann Rule considered him a good friend for a lot of years, even after she'd gotten the book contract to write about the mysterious deaths of young, dark-haired women with center parts--but a lot of men did. According to Rule, in fact, it is generally true that most male sociopaths have females like them and males not; it also works the other way 'round. Now, of course, she's basing all that on anecdotes. She certainly isn't trained as a psychiatrist. However, if there's anyone whose anecdotal information about people's reactions to serial killers I'd trust . . . .

There was a guy in my dorm (actually both of the years I was at Evergreen) whom we knew as "Creepy Guy"; I eventually learned his real name, though I don't now remember it. It turned out that all the girls who'd befriended him then grown really, really wary of him were right. I forget exactly what was wrong with him, but he pretty much dropped out because of severe psychological disturbances.

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I would expect at least part of the feeling of bad vibes is the result of their body language clashing with their verbal language.

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What about when the vibe does not necessarily suggest the person is dangerous or harmful?

Then it's a good vibe, eh? The Beach Boys had a song about that...

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Body language is not always reliable. For example, people with chronic illnesses, pain, or fatigue may exhibit a certain type of body language because of their physical condition. That body language may have nothing to do with their personality.

True, body language isn't an exact thing. But our brains are wired to interpret it, so it may be a cause of the "vibes."

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This is more on "vibes" than people, but I get them very strongly, but it's rare.

If there is something that will single me out from the crowd in a way that I'm not all that happy about, I'll think "Ugh, it's me".
If there is a choice I have to make about something, even something like roulette numbers, I'll think of my options, and think, "that one".

In some cases, I will get a tingle in my stomach. Sort of that same feeling when a car goes over a little hill, and you feel less than one g, only higher up. It's right between my navel and solar plexus, and about 2 inches inside. Sometimes it's a little tingle, and sometimes it feels like an electric shock that almost makes me nauseous for just an instant. I've learned that whatever I was thinking just before that feeling hit is right 100% of the time. I've had it hit me just before I get picked out of a crowd to go up on stage at someplace I didn't want to be. I got it the day the algebra teacher mentioned there was only one person that got an A on the trig test. I had failed the previous three terms. I get it every now and then playing roulette, and my lifetime average is still up by about $150. I can't make it happen, but when it does, I trust it.

One time it did work with people was at the store. I saw three guys walk in. One was about 40, one about 20, and one about 10 or so. I got a bad feeling, and a little tingle. I took this to mean that I was going to have to argue about why I can't break a $100 bill at midnight with 7 hours to go in the shift.

When the two younger guys came up, the older one (20) never looked at me. He kept his back to me the whole time, until the cash drawer opened. Then his right hand went inside his jacket and he rocked up on his toes to see into the drawer. Nothing came of it, but I had stashed anything bigger than a $5 as soon as they came in, because they creeped me out the instant I saw them.

I'm sure enough that I was going to be robbed, and shot, that the thought that went through my head was, "This is gonna hurt. I hope it's a 9mm so I have a shot at surviving it." I'm equally sure that the fact he could only see about $70 in the drawer in ones and fives was the reason he didn't.

At that same store I had a manager that was talking to me about something one day, then stopped and looked around at each door. When he saw some guy come in, he told me to keep an eye on him, "He's a dirt bag". We did keep an eye on that guy, and arrested him for stealing meat and steak about 5 minutes later. He was not visible when the boss reacted. That sort of bothered me in a how-in-the-... way.

A girlfriend I had for way too long had a teenage daughter. This daughter would take an instant dislike to some guys. Nearly every guy she disliked from the start ended up hitting on her at some point.

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I also get vibes from people, but they are usually messed up so I showed learn not to trust them.

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I too am a believer in following your instincts.

Is there scientific proof about the 'willies'? Probably not - but that doesn't mean they're not real (consider the almost universal experiential evidence). If you think about it, it would be hard to recreate the circumstances where someone would get 'bad vibes' in the lab; how do you set up a situation where the totality of events (body language, time, place, opportunity, disparity of power, etc.) inform one person that another person is dangerous to them?

Personally, I think its far better to follow a feeling that says "time to boogie" and being wrong, than to ignore the feeling and find yourself in peril.

--Guess this also depends upon how familiar people are with their own internal compass. You reference the Ted Bundy situation; while I've never found serial killers interesting (and thus never studied them or their methods), I presume that there was an element of attraction/interest that messed up his victim's 'danger radar.' It is an unfortunate truth that many women* find themselves in relationships that are not good for them - these serial killer situations seem an extreme example of that.

Of course, its also possible that Bundy followed the salesman approach: nine "No's" just get you that much closer to the one "yes" you need to fulfill your need...



*Men can find themselves in an abusive relationship as well - but generally it's psychological abuse; given the obvious disparity in physical power between men and women, the potential for victimization via physical abuse is not as great...

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Are you talking about First time acquaintances ?

Vibes , bad or good or strange , IMO , depends on the situation, and the status of your brain.

Maybe ....First impressions?

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Maybe she treated them like garbage because she didn't like them. They finally had enough.

*Of course I'm only joking. It's never right to hit a minor that's not related to you (kidding again). Am I giving anyone wierd vibes?

D'oh! Never mind. Hitting ON - not hitting.

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I very much agree. And no, we don't always interpret body language correctly; as physical differences, cultural differences, etc can throw off misleading cues. But it's there, and it's important to pay attention to.

When someone gives off bad vibes, I don't necessarily run screaming into the night. But I know to drop back a step, and be on guard. My last job was more physical on-guard. Here its more mental--believe it or not, some people just don't like insurance agents. When you can pick up that hostility, it can help defuse a lot of potentially bad situations.

...Though I do miss having a gun on my hip, you know, just in case.

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I've never gotten "vibes". Just born without the wiring, I guess. I have to try to consciously interpret things like body laguage based on what little "book learnin'" I have on it... which is very little, since people who have the ability to interpret that stuff "instinctively" don't write books on it.

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Body language aka vibes is a big part of interaction. We all react to vibes even in an subconcious way. It's a fact that a salesman that smiles does better than one who doesn't assuming that they have same skills.

I once heard that we dream in our sleep because it is a self-defense mechanism. We create in our mind all sorts of situations in our dreams so that when we encounter it while awake we are "prepared" to handle the situation. I don't know if there is any truth to that, but I found it interesting.

What happened with Bundy from what I've read is that women found him charming, attractive and intelligent. Women found that powerful and became submissive to him.

All in all, you need to pay attention to vibes. It might tell you much more about someone.

Re vibes, I think the word for it is charisma [and it can be negative]

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Odd - and I would say, from my pespective, sad. Not trying to be pitying, but I really rely upon my ability to "read" people: it informs much of how I deal with them.

Couple of questions, if you don't mind:
-Have you ever felt a 'moment of connection' attraction with someone?
-Felt that 'spark' when you're flirting with someone attractive - who responds in kind?
- Ever avoided someone whom you've never seen before, but you just know that if you give them an opening they'll try to sell you something (religion, life insurance, AMWAY)?
- Seen someone who is otherwise attractive, but you somehow know that they're bad news?
- Been in a bar and know which of the drunks are most likely to want to pick a fight?

If you answered "no" to all of these questions: do you find interpersonal relationships with mere acquaintences are often awkward?

I think it would be difficult to associate with people if you couldn't get a 'feel' for who they are, and whether they're the type of people you can trust in the first few meetings. When I first started my present job I pegged a couple of folks as 'nut-jobs' and decided to avoid opportunities to work with them. ... and my experience were born out (if the stories I've heard from people who do work with them are true!).

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"Are you a mad-hatter that just types what he wishes, or have you actually any physics training?"
Occam's Ghost to Grant Hutchison.

I wonder if these women weren't already somewhat vulnerable and repeating a self-destructive behavior by subconsciously looking for someone 'dominant.' I find it hard to believe that most (well adjusted) women I know would fall for his charms.

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"Are you a mad-hatter that just types what he wishes, or have you actually any physics training?"
Occam's Ghost to Grant Hutchison.

The answer's No to all. I have Asperger's Syndrome, which is a sort of short-circuit in the area of the brain that handles social interaction. As someone said on another thread, it's Magic to me.

And yes. it's very difficult for me to associate with people. It takes a signifigant effort.

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"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

By all accounts, you would be wrong. In some cases, you'd be right, but he played on compassion. You know the scene in Silence of the Lambs where Buffalo Bill tricks Catherine Martin into his van essentially because he has a fake cast? Bundy used to do that. Not with furniture; he drove a VW bug. However, he would be dropping books or whatever while wearing a fake cast on his arm. Women who were generally just nice, not self-destructive, would fall for it.

Oh, don't get me wrong. His girlfriend, and probably his eventual wife, were vulnerable people repeating self-destructive behaviour. (Why else would you marry someone during the penalty phase of their murder trial?) One or two of his victims were, too--here, I'm specifically thinking of the one taken from the campus of my alma mater--but most of them were known to be confident, self-assured women who made one mistake too many.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Much the same was said of the guy who shot up Virginia Tech.

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If we halt the ISS, all versions of Ares, and transport Orion and Altair aboard DIRECTv3's Jupiter family of Shuttle-Derived Launch Vehicles, we just might make it back to the Moon by 2020.

Just finished reading the wiki article on AS. Must be very frustrating.

Does the filter of the internet (i.e. boards such as this one) affect anything - such as by making interacting with people (when non-verbal clues are generally unavailable to everyone equally) any easier?

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Jump in with both feet!
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"Are you a mad-hatter that just types what he wishes, or have you actually any physics training?"
Occam's Ghost to Grant Hutchison.

Therein lies the true tragedy.

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"Are you a mad-hatter that just types what he wishes, or have you actually any physics training?"
Occam's Ghost to Grant Hutchison.

I never get "vibes".

But then, being Asperger's, I can not read body language, except consciously. For me it is a learned skill -- and learned fairly late in life, I might add.
I was never mugged. Granted, I do not often go to places where it is likely to happen, but when I do, I am always on alert. The difference between Neverfly (and presumably Mugaliens) and me is that if I avoid someone, I always know exactly why I am doing it. No subconscious sensation involved.

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