A Dr. Vernon Jenkins found the following facts… before we continue, we must have a look at the Greek Mathematics gematria, and the Chaldean numerical values are:

Alpha = 1
Beta = 2
Gamma = 3
Delta = 4
Epsilon = 6
Digamma = 7
Zeta = 8
Theta = 9
Iota = 10
Kappa = 20
Lambda = 30
Mu = 40
Nu = 50
Xi = 60
Omicron = 70
Pi = 80
Koppa = 90
Rho = 100
Sigma = 200
Tau = 300
Upsilon = 400
Phi = 500
Chi = 600
Psi = 700
Omega = 800

There are [27] Greek letters in total… 22 Hebrew letters in total… Note that 27 + 22 = 7 x 7… keep this in mind…

The idea that the ancient pages of the Kabala, is that it holds a hidden subtext of codes in numbers. This is not a myth, it is actually very much true.
Do not mistake these for the rather poor BBC 4 programmed a yonder of years back, whereas Dr. Eliyahu Rips claimed he had discovered empirical evidence of Bible code phenomena. He used a high-powered computer to [randomly] search for crossword like paragraphs speaking about events that had already happened, and events still to come to pass.
I wasn't moved by his finds. I found his contribution actually a bit shaming for the Bible mathematical community. However, he is a fantastic mathematician, well-renown actually, and he statistically put one of his codes down as 60,000 to 1.
But mathematicians came forward and found him to be incorrect, with a real statistical analysis of only 1 n 2. However, this should not deter the reader, as codes really do exist within the Bible, as i am going to show you.
Dr. Ivan Nikolayevich Panin, a scholar and famous agnostic, born in Russia found a most compelling and spine chilling set of codes... actually, hundreds of them. They where so intricate, the only explanation was intentional design... but why? It turns out that the codes where so complex, called 'the seven phenomena', no scholar or mathematician could really answer why anyone would go to such a lengthly way. The statistics of his finds go into the quadrillions to 1! [You can find his work on the internet - there are plenty of threads].
Another Dr. i wish to speak about today, and before moving onto my own personal find, is a Dr. Vernon Jenkins - he too has his own web page. He simply took the next step and applied geometric patterns into the text, and came up with some extraordinary results. He was able to obtain his calculations from an ancient Hebrew and Chaldean discipline called, 'Theomatics.' By applying each letter of the Hebrew (and) Greek alphabet with their own gematria values, he was able to devise ''whole'' answers. It turns out that these values also held quite a lot in store.
The most interesting find of his, was found in Genesis 1:1. He obtained the following values from using this system: 296-407-395-401-86-203-913.
He found the following facts (I’m mentioning just an iota of what he found) >

the entire system came to a value of 2701.
The entire system is also 37 x 73 (reflective symmetry)
The numbers 37 and 73 are the 12th and 21st primes (reflective system)
The number 2701 is the 703rd triangular number (similarities, almost an anagram) - 703 is also the calculation of 'and the earth' leaving a value of 666 + 666 + 666
This is just a pinch of what he found - you should really go to his site
His second work investigated the first paragraph of John 1:1, which is almost symmetrical in literature. He also found some rather remarkable mathematical results
the word, ''Word'' came to a value of 373... This mirrors the 37 and 73 phenomena
the entire passage valued 3627... Which is 39 x 93 (reflective symmetry)
In fact, the entire thing could be used as a plinth to support the triangular basis of 2701

All coincidence? Perhaps, but he recently put statistical averages to this and found it was highly unlikely

Now, what stood out for me, was that seven was predominant in the first sentence. There are accordingly 7 words. There are 28 letters (Hebrew letters) which is of course 7 x 4. This was indicating something, i thought.
You just need to look at the entire Bible to understand that 7 was the holy number... God rested on the 7th day. Jesus was the 77th generation from Abraham. The 7 churches. The 7 Angels. The 7 plagues. The 7 spirits. The 7 woes... ECT. ECT.
As it turned out, the three nouns 'God', 'Heaven' and 'Earth' added to 777... A triplet... remember this.
So, i decided to investigate the gematria. What ''popped'' out at me, was the numbers 37, 7 and 39. The difference between the number 7 however, is that it was encoded in a differential fasion to both the findings of the 37 and 39 phenomena. So, i treated it differently by doing the following sums...
37 x 7 = 259
39 x 7 = 273
what of these numbers - your probably wondering? Well, if you multiply the two together, they obtain a very similar picture to adding the three nouns together, giving an answer of 70707! But this was only the edge of the blade. It turns out that the joining of 37x7 multiplications with 39x7 multiplications unraveled a host of continuous calculations, that 'may' go into infinity... though, I could be wrong…
Here are the extra calculations I found… But first, I call numbers which have a pattern of (let’s hypothetically say),70707 as ‘’Island Effects’’, and are calculations that are very rare. In short, I will call the Island Effect simply (IE).

37 x 273 = 10101 Palindrome/IE
39 x 259 = 10101 Palindrome/IE
37 x 7 = 259 x 39 x 39 = 393939
37 x 7 = 259 x 93 x 93 = 939393
39 x 7 = 273 x 37 x 37 = 373737
39 x 7 = 273 x 73 x 73 = 737373

And…
We now need to see the importance of two specific numbers… those being 13 and 11… numerically, the Bible finds these numbers highly important, as when Judas Iscariot hung himself, the 12 disciples became ‘’The Eleven,’’ and Jesus was the 13th… the Master. Also to highlight the importance of 11, just remember that there are 22 Hebrew letters, which is of course 11^2. Here I would like to add that 13 cannot be a number of wrath… but holiness
So, let us continue…

77 x 37 x 13 = 37037
77 x 73 x 13 = 73073
77 x 39 x 13 = 39039
77 x 93 x 13 = 93093
77 x 7 x 13 = 7007
7007 x 39 = 273273
7007 x 37 = 259259

Now consider the following mathematics…
2701 + 1072 (mirrored symmetry)= 3773…
3773 is also an anagram of 37 x 73 totaling the value of 2701… (This was Dr. Vernon’s discovery)… but I found a special harmony, crystallizing a supersymmetry and palindrome > totally indicating seven phenomena…

3773(37 x 13 x 39)= 70777707

Right, so i make it that the possibility of chance to be 1 in 108,775,477,775.

Is this in the right place?

Numerology doesn't impress me. I have access to very powerful computers, and I have implemented the various so-called Bible Code algorithms on them to search texts for span words. Using the Bible Code methods, I can pretty much find anything I'm "looking" for in any text in any language.

The probability computation is useless, because the salience of the desired observation is a begged question. The odds of drawing a royal flush in poker are just the same as the odds of drawing any other hand. It's only because we arbitrarily assign to the royal flush a more elevated game value that we consider it a great stroke of luck. The Bible Code method essentially draws the cards first -- say the 2 of clubs, the jack of spades, the 7 of hearts, the 4 of hearts, and the 9 of diamonds -- and gives it a name (say, the Vegas Sampler), and then goes on to compute the long "odds" of getting such a hand by chance.

Dressing up what is essentially a random phenomenon in pseudo-arithmetical mumbo jumbo does not provide a very strong basis for argument. And no, it's not an astronomy question; so it's in the wrong place.

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They where so intricate, the only explanation was intentional design... but why? It turns out that the codes where so complex, called 'the seven phenomena', no scholar or mathematician could really answer why anyone would go to such a lengthly way.

Here is the begged question.

"Intricate" numerological systems indicate only the gyrations that must be applied in order to arrive at the "right" answer. And the fact that no one can ascribe any meaning to it is the best evidence for it being a random phenomenon.

Give me any digit and I can come up with the Four Phenomenon or the Nine Phenomenon, as long as you let me make the system so arbitrarily complicated that it "must" have arisen by design.

And of course it did -- it was "designed" (along with the Seven Phenomenon) to create the impression of rigor and salience out of nothing. When no one can find any reason for a numerological system to have been employed, then that's good evidence that the system exists only on the basis of natural patterns of arithmetic and number representation schemes. The long odds of any such system arising "by chance" is simply a product of there being practically an infinite number of such "systems."

First show that the system actually means something other than a display of numerology, then compute the supposed long odds.

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Well, quite right... where should it be?

and that is why you list 25 greek letters?

I always liked the number 2025 -> 20 + 25 -> 45^2 = 2025

So probably Planet X is going to arrive on 2025 or something else will happen or not.

Uninteresting and inunderstandable numerology. But it just does not do it for me.

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First show that the system actually means something other than a display of numerology, then compute the supposed long odds.[/QUOTE]



I can, if you want... but the evidence shows very little.

... but the evidence shows very little.

Then what makes you think it makes a case that Hebrew writings contain hidden subtexts?

All you've got left is the tautology of one arbitrary numerological system being so artificially improbable among all such arbitrary systems. Ho hum.

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As I recall, the creator of the Bible Code said that, if you could find the same patterns in Moby-Dick, he'd admit that his claims were fallacious. Someone did, so he did. It was one of the few times I really admired one of these promoter types.

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The Bad Astronomy Pi Code

Homer:Aw, you win...I got nothing.
Stonecutter: Um, no. You have the um, Royal Sampler! You win again Homer!

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"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

Hmmm numerology.
I once saw on an astronomy TV-Show that some dutch scientist managed to calculate some natural constants out of the distances within a dutch bicycle...

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Pi from the wheels springs to mind, but otherwise - good job!

I remember once seeing Orion not only mapped out in Egyptian monuments, but also in landmarks in New York city.

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Actually he measured the diameter of the front light, the length of one of the pedals, the circumference of a wheel, the diameter of the bell and other things.
With these values he calculated the fine structure constant, the mass ratio of proton and electron, the speed of light, and so on.

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So that would be one tenth?

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Now, if you measure the length of your left arm and divide it by the length of your right arm, you get a value very close to the gravitational constant, when expressed in the geometrized units that physicists use today. If you compute the same ratio for your legs, you get the speed of light, again in geometrized units. (pause for dramatic effect, raise eyebrows) Clearly, intelligent design.
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Does open minded mean - having to consider bible/bull that's simply based a none serious theory about an ancient book that is based on zero facts, created when our ancestors were basically clueless.
Or does open minded mean we don't know because we haven't got the full facts yet?

So, a collection of dozens of books, written over a nearly thousand-year period, in three languages, by groups that were sometimes trying to kill each other, collected by several unrelated groups of rabbis, church leaders, and an Emperor who came to the faith late in life, rearranged several times, parts added and removed for political as well as theological reasons, many of them the subject of controversy and dissention within those selecting bodies, and yet all of them have the same numerical code hidden in them.

Hmm.

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Exactly. See, ancient people were much smarter than ourselves, and though they generally hated the ideas of the rival factions (be it religious, social, etc.), they all believed in The Truth(tm), so while re-writes and censorship most definitely would have occurred, they made sure to preserve the greater hidden meaning.

Duh.

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"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

That's nothing. Today, I saw a car with a license plate that said "ER71GLO4." There are 26 letters and 10 numbers, and each of the 36 possibilities can appear in each position, so the odds of that are 1 in 2,821,109,907,456.

WOW! Clearly ER71GLO4 must be the creator's name in some ancient language! And all the years I've wasted, praying to JQV469 (Ohio).

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I have found span-word patterns in randomly generated strings of letters. And in the U.S. Constitution I found a disproportionate number of naughty span-words.

(A span word is a word that is composed of letters that appear at regular intervals in an otherwise irrelevant text, such as
MYBREASTDONATESBETTERBOOKENDSORSMUTYAWNS.)

In Hebrew such exercises are more likely to yield results than in English because Hebrew writes only the consonants, and nearly every string of between three and, say, ten Hebrew consonants is a legitimate Hebrew word. Theoretically the proximity of these span-words in a block of text, at different intervals, spells out a cryptic alternate phrase. The classic Bible code is a two-layered exercise in fitting Hebrew words to random strings of Hebrew letters, and then fitting ideas to the resulting semi-random words.

I pick four words at random from my English dictionary: cephalothoracopagus, airting, tramel, and algarde. Hm, okay that backfired. So I pick four common words from some online random text: expected, friend, happiness, highlights. It doesn't take much imagination to formulate a "prophecy" from those four words: my friend will go to get highlights for her hair, and I expect she will be happy with them. If she isn't, then she expected to be happy, but wasn't.

But this isn't that style of Bible code.

What's proposed here is simple numerology. Find a way to represent something as digits (whether it makes sense to it). Then play with various numbers until "important" patterns emerge. Then claim the pattern must signify something, even if you can't tell what it is or what use it might be. And then circularly claim that the complexity of the process is evidence of its intelligent design, and not just evidence of the basic chaotic nature of complex processes.

There are so-called pharisaical numbers in the Bible, to be sure. Those are the numbers to which its authors gravitate when expressing vague quantities: three, seven, 12, 40, etc. This practice gives unwarranted credibility to assigning arbitrary salience to any number that appears in the Bible, regardless of the fact that counting is a part of everyone's life ancient and modern and numbers of all kinds can't be avoided. You also have pseudo-pharisaical shenanigans such as starting with 12 (a legitimate pharisaical number) and deriving 11 and 13 from it according to various stretched lines of reasoning.

The significance of 11 as the number of disciples minus Judas is hogwash, because that was not considered a quorum; Judas was replaced to bring the wrong number (11) up to the real number (12). The significance of 13 as the disciples plus Jesus is theologically shaky, since they were not equals. Once you start blessing every citation of a number in the Bible and then deriving new numbers from the blessed ones, you can basically make up anything you want and pretend it means something. Once you start compounding random arithmetic, you'll get digit patterns, text patterns, and a whole bunch of purely artificial stuff.

Trying to say that it's statistically unlikely for such a thing to arise by chance is complete statistical hogwash, because it's simply saying that jillions of such overwrought imaginary systems exist.

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Utah's former license numbering scheme defaulted to a three-digit group and a three-letter group. My car's license plate contains the three-letter group MHZ. It's not a vanity plate; it's simply what random string was assigned to me by the department. But because I associate with engineers, they all want to interpret my license number as a frequency expressed in megahertz. They all want to know why that frequency is significant to me. It isn't, but I'm sure I could pile on a numerological explanation for it that would incorporate the Cydonia dimensions, the latitude of St. Peter's Basilica, the weight of a Masonic apron in farthings, and Michael Jackson's underwear size.

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I do not want to know the connection to the last item on your list.


The last time the State of Ohio made me get a new plate, I was assigned AM44YR. It happened to be around the time of my 44th birthday. I hope that signs of a supreme being are not being issued by the Ohio Department of Motor Vehicles.

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Of course, in addition to the points made by JayUtah above are the questions of which version of "the Bible" do you search in the first place, and how do you know it's any more (for want of a better word) official than any other?

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If the motor vehicles department where I live is issuing signs of a supreme being, that supreme being sure has a foul mouth. They seem to know the bad words in english and stop those, but I've seen some pretty interesting things on the road in other languages.

Unimpeachable evidence that Phil is the Creator, and likely responsible for parton' Mare Rubrum.

But we already knew that...

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The BBC science thread, Horizon, once mapped the constellation Leo on to Manhattan's public buildings. It was part of their programme amusingly dedicated to debunking Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval.

Edit: Here a transcription. The relevant commentary goes:Grant Hutchison