I thought about putting this under 'Space Exploration', but I refrained before the possibility of getting virtually lynched.

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From the link
I'd say he has a ways to go, but everyone needs a dream. I wish him luck.

And Argos, I think it would have been a hoot to put it in Space Exploration.

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When I heard bottle rocket, I was thinking a rocket that you normally stick in the neck of a bottle to launch it.
A rocket made from a pop bottle never entered my mind. We always used those little red and white pump jobs.

I'd like to see somebody figure out the math on what it would take.

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I'd like to see somebody figure out the math on what it would take.
In the mean time, I'll take bets on how long it takes one of you to work this out. I think my money's on 5 minutes...

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.

Wow, 379 m. The best my kids and I managed with a single stage 2 litre rocket was 67 m. That was pressurized to 110 psi using 600 ml of water.

I told my kids that while it may be fun to launch these toys, the "real" ones had to have a payload. What could be a payload for a bottle rocket? Why, plastic men with parachutes! So everytime we launched, there would be a hoard of kids chasing after these parachute characters.

I thought about another possible purpose for these rockets and realized that if the mechanism for opening the parachute could be rigged to set off a camera shutter, then I could get true (albeit random) bird's eye views of our little town. If you think about it, aircraft aren't allowed to fly so low over settlements unless on takeoff or landing, at least in this country, so it's a bona fide application. But I lost patience with it before it was perfected. However, a number of other big kids have managed to get their water rockets to work as aerial photography platforms.

Times up...where's my cash?

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I'll put the nickel in the mail, but you have to send me a stamp first.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.

Reminds me of the OTRAG company some 30 years
ago developing a nitrogen pressurised module
forcing fuel to the nozzel with car windscreen
wiper motors as cheap actuators. A few dozen
units made a small space launcher. I was
rooting for them but some quarters did not
like the places the company operated from.
One or two test firings I remember.

IIRC, OTRAG was being funded by Libya. There was a great deal of doubt about Libya's desire for a peaceful space exploration capability.

Reminds me of the highest I ever launched an Estes rocket - about a mile.

Heavily modified rocket, and engine scheme, though...

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I am human. Fully human.

And Estes used to sell (still does?) the Camroc, a cheap plastic single exposure nosecone--the rocket engines were timed so that the release charge didn't blow until the rocket had turned and was zooming back earthward! That triggered the shutter.

they sell them with digital cameras in the nosecone now. the one i was looking at in WalMart (of all places) last week actually made an mpeg movie looking back towards the ground from launch until it hits the ground again.

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How did you get it to a mile?

I've got a personal altitude record of 11,950, but that had nothing to do with estes type stuff (with which my personal record stands at about 3000 feet with estes motors, 5000 feet with an estes rocket but decidedly non-estes motors.)

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Well, the numbers escape me even though I've read them a bajillion times (signs of age?), but escape velocity is known, so there isn't really any need for hope or dreams - - just the right velocity.

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"Within the next generation I believe that the world's leaders will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Yes; I have an idea there, I'm speaking in relation to the launch vehicle.
Propellent and compressible gas weight and volume.
Pressures needed.
That stuff.

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Rockets are cool

http://www.sciencevideos.com/images/golftube2.jpg

True dat!

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"Carl Sagan sent a message to ET,
Neil Armstrong walked in the Sea of Tranquility
Steve Squyers built Spirit and Opportunity
Dan Haylen upchucked in zero gravity." -Brent Simon, The Space Camp Song

I was playing with dry ice and plastic soda bottles once. Making dry ice bombs. I ran out of plastic bottles and had a small glass coke bottle left. I put some ice and water in it then put the top on and quickly tossed it. It landed in dirt bottle top down, made a thudding boom and vanished right in front of my eyes. I looked around and for it and spotted it at about 100 yards altitude and ascending. It continued for another 50 yards up nosing over to 100 yards down range when I lost sight of it. It left a five inch hole in the ground. The bottle top and the neck of the bottle were in the hole.

It must be funny...

I stuck an Estes D engine into a rocket designed for an A engine, shaved the fins very fine, didn't use the parachute, modified the nose cone, hallowing it out, etc. I did the telemetry with a friend standing one mile away with an inclinometer, and me (at the launching pad) monitoring the trajectory.

Simple trig, and yes, it bested a mile by several hundred feet. Twenty years later, I reached 50,023 feet, my highest, but that was in the military. Another story.

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Perception isn't reality. It's merely an abstraction thereof, and quite often not a very good one at that.

I am human. Fully human.

Back to the bottle rocket.
Big is better, so I tried an office water dispenser bottle - 25 liters or so, inflated from a compressor and airline to about 30psi (the seals started leaking). The result was very disappointing!
The downloadable water rocket simulator (see: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...se/h2orckt.htm) confirms that this size just doesn't work.
Why?

John
PS I was looking for horizontal thrust, rather than lift, but it was still no good at all.