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Old 22-April-2008, 02:14 PM
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Another one of those party balloon lawn chair events gone bad.
Priest on party-balloons flight goes missing
They say it's not that rare, yet they only cite one other instance (although I know of two)

He left in the rain and got blown off course.
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Old 22-April-2008, 02:35 PM
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He had hopes of going to the west, but the mid-altitude winds were surrounding a low pressure area and were blowing south in that spot. Also, he didnīt know how to operate the gps he was carrying [he asked for someone who could teach him when he was already descending].
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Old 22-April-2008, 03:57 PM
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He had hopes of going to the west...
Good; I was hoping you would chime in with some details.
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... but the mid-altitude winds were surrounding a low pressure area and were blowing south in that spot.
And why he didn't call it off at that point is one of the issues.
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...Also, he didnīt know how to operate the gps he was carrying
That might be an important thing to know.
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...[he asked for someone who could teach him when he was already descending].
Never too late to learn, is it?

Also; I'm having a hard time grasping the thought of raising money for truck stops.
Is there a big problem in that area where a commercial or government venture doesn't have the incentive?
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Old 22-April-2008, 06:25 PM
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"spiritual rest stop" might be something hard to get governments or private industry to build.
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Old 22-April-2008, 07:21 PM
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I didnīt see the CNN video, so, sorry if I didnīt add more.

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And why he didn't call it off at that point is one of the issues.
Well thatīs because he doesnīt know a thing about meteorology [by what Iīve seen from his TV interviews]. Lets say he puts too much reliance on faith.

As for details, this site says that the rescue team says [this morning] thereīs is 70% [?] chance that heīs alive. It seems "he had knowledge of diving and survival in water (...) he carried water and cereal bars (...) the impermeable ballast sacks he carried could be used for floating (...)"

Problem is that the sea is quite agitated there right now [30-feet waves were reported yesterday]. I hope he makes it.

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Also; I'm having a hard time grasping the thought of raising money for truck stops.
Is there a big problem in that area where a commercial or government venture doesn't have the incentive?
Well, if youīre a NGO type you have to have a public discourse, no? There are plenty of commercial truck stops in his state [well, Brazil is a truck country]. What he wanted was free ones [gathering points so he could proselytize. Heīs a priest, you know...]
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Old 22-April-2008, 07:30 PM
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I'd offer a Darwin award, but that doesn't seem applicable in this case.
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For those who'd rather not watch the video.
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Rescuers in helicopters and small fishing boats were searching off the coast of Brazil's Santa Catarina state, where a Roman Catholic priest borne aloft by hundreds of helium party balloons went missing Monday.

Rev. Adelir Antonio de Carli lifted off from the port city of Paranagua on Sunday afternoon, wearing a helmet, thermal suit and a parachute. He was reported missing about eight hours later after losing contact with port authority officials, according to the treasurer of his Sao Cristovao parish, Denise Gallas.
I bet the rescue mission winds up costing more than he raised.
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Old 22-April-2008, 07:44 PM
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From the Chinese [!] site: "He knew what he was doing and was fully prepared for any kind of mishap."

Well, he didnīt seem quite comfortable with the GPS on his distress call aired on Brazilian TV last night...
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I'd offer a Darwin award, but that doesn't seem applicable in this case.
Depends on the individual, it would seem.

I understand another balloonist went missing a while back. It was a hot air balloon manned by a politician who, it was determined, died from asphyxiation somewhere in the upper stratosphere.
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Well, at least he was wearing a thermal suit...

However, he was apparently missing a few key pieces of equipment...

1. Radio that works on both maritime and aviation bands (121.5/243.0)

2. Spare battery.

3. One-man life raft.

4. Personal floatation device.

5. Signal mirror.

6. Something with which to pop balloons to keep the altitude to a reasonable maximum

7. An altimeter, so he might know how high he was in the first place.

8. A weather report (rule number one for balloonists - no ballooning near thunderstorms, or even rain clouds, as the updrafts and downdrafts can easily exceed the ascent / descent capability).

9. And perhaps the most important thing he forgot: A sense of good judgement.
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Depends on the individual, it would seem.

I understand another balloonist went missing a while back. It was a hot air balloon manned by a politician who, it was determined, died from asphyxiation somewhere in the upper stratosphere.
You would die long before you reached the stratosphere (which begins around 60,000 feet).

Several minutes at 35,000 is enough to do it, if you're not acclimated. If you are acclimated, try 40,000 feet (a mile higher).
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Hold the phone...

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Carli had a GPS device, a satellite phone, a buoyant chair and is an experienced skydiver, Gallas said.

"We are absolutely confident he will be found alive and well, floating somewhere in the ocean," she said. "He knew what he was doing and was fully prepared for any kind of mishap."
Well, a satellite phone isn't bad...

1. Was it waterproof, or at least sealed in a water-tight plastic bag?

2. What's the water temp in Brazil this time of year? Was he wearing a wetsuit?

3. The chair may have been "floatable," but why no personal floatation device?

4. Still no personal life raft, weather report, or sound judgement. Therefore, the "fully prepared" comment is SO wrong, as is the "he knew what he was doing" part.
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You would die long before you reached the stratosphere (which begins around 60,000 feet).

Several minutes at 35,000 is enough to do it, if you're not acclimated. If you are acclimated, try 40,000 feet (a mile higher).
Sigh. Try referencing the word "joke." It's a reference to political hot air?
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Sigh. Try referencing the word "joke." It's a reference to political hot air?
It went over my head too.
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Re: Darwin award

I figured if he was a priest, this made it moot.
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I expect he drifted over Phoenix, Arizona, and tried to spell out ajuda with lights.

(See topic Phoenix UFO.)
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2. What's the water temp in Brazil this time of year?
It depends on your location. For the states of Parana/Santa Catarina [the south], it is about 20 C.

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Because ending up on the sea was the last thing he expected.
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Because ending up on the sea was the last thing he expected.
Obviously, he was never a Boy Scout.
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It went over my head too.