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Old 28-April-2008, 02:41 AM
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We have to optimize our engine designs for the fuels we can get with an eye toward MPG vs costs , and be willing to step into a modern world. If you are still
lugging 6500 pounds around to commute to work by yourself, you are not adjusting. You are jousting with the general public . Along with smaller cars with better aerodynamics is a society that clamps down on the type A nut jobs
trying to run everyone down while doing 90mph. Their days are numbered.
The "Privilige" of driving a motor vehicle will be safely laid in the deserving
hands of people who drive "nice" and have manners such that everyone can drive safely to their destination in a 1000 pound vehicle without fear of
some nut tailgating them . The nuts will be riding the bus. Times are changing.

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Its a little more complicated than that...Scratch building one with the idea that it will run on propane/CNG would correct this.
Omnitek offers those, too, but no mention of price that I could find on their site:
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...Under Solution #2 (#1 being the conversion kits), Omnitek supplies complete low-polluting alternative fuel engines in 4 and 6 cylinder configurations...The dedicated alternative fuel engines can meet EURO II, EURO III and EURO IV standards...
Can't be cheap!
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Most of the MPG = miles per gallon improvements that are practical have already been made. We get 100 MPG by making the vehical smaller, lighter, costlier, slower, less convenient, less safe, reduced accelleration, and/or more areodynamic...
That depends on what you consider practical. Currently, around 1% of a vehicle's power is to propel the driver*. Now; we will never recoup the other 99% of that; but, I'm sure there can be continued improvements on that with a certain level of acceptance.
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Carried to extreems the vehicle has little utility for most customers applications resulting in reduced sales and mostly unhappy owners. Neil
Right: and part of the issue is that for such a large expenditure, you need to buy at least what you will need for the most vigorous use you will encounter. (some go way beyond that, but that's another issue).
There are other solutions to overcome this, but it's a major change in the way of thinking.

*Statistic from NOVA: Car of the future (hosted Click and Clack, the Car Talk guys)
They discussed a lot of the issues in technology, infrastructure, and perception. Very informative. Unfortunately, I was left with the impression that the technology is not progressing as fast as I thought it was.
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