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Old 25-April-2008, 04:26 PM
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What would be the most efficient way to reduce our environmental footprint?

The criteria would be: the amount of change / the difficulty (cost financial and otherwise ) of the change
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Reduce the population. I don't know how to calculate the denominator in your ratio for that, but the numerator would be huge.
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What would be the most efficient way to reduce our environmental footprint?

The criteria would be: the amount of change / the difficulty (cost financial and otherwise ) of the change
Mass global suicide.


Of course, this does nothing to alleviate the Earths own environmental footprint, or every other animals foot, claw, paw and leg prints.
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Of course, this does nothing to alleviate the Earths own environmental footprint, or every other animals foot, claw, paw and leg prints.
You left out apods.
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What would be the most efficient way to reduce our environmental footprint?

The criteria would be: the amount of change / the difficulty (cost financial and otherwise ) of the change
If you want an efficient method, give people financial incentives to reduce their footprint by taxing environmental damage, then get out of the way and let them figure out the best way to do it. Use the money raised to repair the damage, or to reduce other taxes. Adjust the tax up or down to control the level of the reduction you want.

If you want to make sure the costs are enormous and the benefits tiny (or possibly negative), have the central planners at this board decide how to do it.
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The two simplest significant cuts you can make are car use and eating meat. Become a vegetarian cyclist and your carbon footprint will be slashed dramatically.
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The two simplest significant cuts you can make are car use and eating meat. Become a vegetarian cyclist and your carbon footprint will be slashed dramatically.
This has other benefits too, because it reduces demand for both meat and fossil fuels. Then all your neighbors in the global village will like you, because you have made it cheaper for them to consume more and increase their carbon footprints.
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This has other benefits too, because it reduces demand for both meat and fossil fuels. Then all your neighbors in the global village will like you, because you have made it cheaper for them to consume more and increase their carbon footprints.
Yeah, because as soon as someone hears their neighbour has gone vegetarian they eat twice as much meat.

By your 'logic' there is no point doing anything, because your efforts will be countered by everyone else. Real life experience shows this is simply not true.
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Reduce the population. I don't know how to calculate the denominator in your ratio for that, but the numerator would be huge.
I thought of that but you need to be careful to get the ones that polute the most maybe use the 80:20 rule get rid of the top 20% of the poluters in the world.
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I heard one theory that brazil should charge a tax on other nations for the use of their rain forest to help fight against deforestation.


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If you want an efficient method, give people financial incentives to reduce their footprint by taxing environmental damage, then get out of the way and let them figure out the best way to do it. Use the money raised to repair the damage, or to reduce other taxes. Adjust the tax up or down to control the level of the reduction you want.

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Tax gas to $20 a gallon and let it spin.

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The two simplest significant cuts you can make are car use and eating meat. Become a vegetarian cyclist and your carbon footprint will be slashed dramatically.
What is the deal with eating meat?

Also what needs to be done with china. they are now number one at greenhouse gas production.
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What is the deal with eating meat?
Without diving too deep. Simply, there is another level of the food chain, and each level involves processing and shipping of food. That uses energy.
There's a lot more to it... but that's enough to know it does add something.
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Also what needs to be done with china. they are now number one at greenhouse gas production.
Again; complicated. Number one in quantity? Number one in per capita? Number one in GDP?

I think if you scour the threads on energy and global warming, that you will see some very good suggestions. At the same time you will see some of the trade-offs (and ear steam) with each one of those suggestions.

Unfortunately, getting into whether or not they should be followed through has the potential for getting political.
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Without diving too deep. Simply, there is another level of the food chain, and each level involves processing and shipping of food. That uses energy.
There's a lot more to it... but that's enough to know it does add something.

Again; complicated. Number one in quantity? Number one in per capita? Number one in GDP?

I think if you scour the threads on energy and global warming, that you will see some very good suggestions. At the same time you will see some of the trade-offs (and ear steam) with each one of those suggestions.

Unfortunately, getting into whether or not they should be followed through has the potential for getting political.
Cant we just threaten them with arms?
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Are you trolling or do you really want to kick off world war 3?
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I thought of that but you need to be careful to get the ones that polute the most maybe use the 80:20 rule get rid of the top 20% of the poluters in the world.
Heh. Actually, what I had in mind was not decimating the existing population, but rather increasing measures to get people to quit reproducing so much. Heck, in the US we subsidize the population explosion. That makes no sense.
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I keep hearing people talk about the need to reduce the population but I don't hear anyone volunteering to off themselves. No, they expect "the others" to make that sacriface.
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I keep hearing people talk about the need to reduce the population but I don't hear anyone volunteering to off themselves. No, they expect "the others" to make that sacriface.
See my last post.

I volunteer not to reproduce.
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