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you had it comin'

Sorry I thought you would have already known.

Dr Carl Calleman was a microbiologist who got interested in the whoopla surrounding the Mayan Calendar. He has now writen a book on his findings based on fact not speculation. He is convinced that the Mayan Calendar starts at the same time that the big bang happened and that they were using the calander to track The Evolution of Consciousness. He later partnered up with Ian Lungold and together they charted the evolution of conscious
www.calleman.com or www.mayanmajix.com

I think Dr. Caleman and Ian are right on the money.

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Well, ignoring friction, the amount of force required to pull the 10 ton block up 10 degrees is simply 3473 pounds (10 tons * sin(10 degrees)). Factor in a 3.744 leverage and you get 927 lbs (actually closer to 928).

Of course, adding friction somewhat complicates things.

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And these ropes would have been made of what material?

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Thanks Neverfly for posting that link. I see I had the link wrong in my post.

I owe you one and its only my first day.

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The ancient Egyptians had ropes made from water reeds and similar materials.

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Help me out here but...

How could they demonstrate that the Mayan Calender starts at the same time as the Big Bang?

Sounds like hogwash to me.

What would a microbiologist know about archeology?

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Sounds a bit puny up against those multi-ton stone blocks...

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So do many things, but a well made (and quite thick) rope can supply surprising amounts of force. Ropes made from natural fibers are quite adequate for forces into the thousands of pounds, although they would have to be rather thick for that kind of load.

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Um, guys, the Egyptian pyramids and the Meso-American pyramids actually were built in the same period....The Holocene...

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As I wrote earlier, Caral (in Peru) dates from 2600 BC (though that is only the time when the site was first inhabited, not necessarily when everything wasbuilt). The earliest Egyptian pyramid is dated to 2620 BC. So it's not inconceivable that American and Egyptian pyramids originate from roughly the same period.

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There's a few problems with this thread...

There is no evidence at all that the major Egyptian pyramids were ever used or even designed as tomb. They've never found a body in one nor (with the exception of 'graffiti' most likely daubed by Vyse) any writing. That's zip, nada, none.
The evidence for Vyse doing the graffiti is that it has the same 'misspelling' as his reference book had - the correction came later.

While the blocks are of limestone, they weigh from about 5 tonnes up. The problem with the ramp idea is, with what material did they make the ramp? And where has it gone?

There's also the problem that, to build a ramp (presuming they could haul dead weights up sand ramps without it all pouring away under pressure) they'd need somewhere between 5 & 10 times the total material of the Great Pyramid itself. That's between 10 & 20 million tonnes of ramp.

The sarcophagus inside the Great Pyramid is made of granite & is too large to have been taken in after the construction. So it had to be moved over 200 miles (from where it was quarried) then cut out (it's one block) by tools Egyptologists claim the Egyptians never had (copper & bronze will not cut granite) then hauled up the sand ramp to be placed before the next layer of stones was placed.

The Osirion & other temples are made of blocks wighing in upwards of 200 tonnes - we cannot move those blocks effectively today without something like a gantry crane. These were moved, lifted & placed precisely in position & some of them were moved from positions where there was barely walking room bside where they were cut.

The Sphinx & it's 'trench' show weathering signs that expert geologists all agree is from rain - long, heavy, ongoing rain. The last time Egypt had long, heavy, ongoing rain was sometime prior to about 6,000BC - a minimum of 2500 years BEFORE the first pharaoh.
The disagreement with this idea comes strictly from Egyptologists on the basis that, if there was such a civilisation, they (Egyptologists) would know about it.

The problem with the disagreement is that all the Egyptologists know of Egyptian history comes from 3 texts. The Book of the Dead, the Pyramid Texts & another one I can't recall the title of now - all reprints on walls of Mastabas - the places where they actually DID bury their dead pharaohs. The Egyptologists swear by the accuracy of the pharonic section of those texts but claim everything before (I think it was ) Menes (circa 3100BC) is religious mythology. That 'religious mythology' talks, like the Sumer texts, of a previous civilisation that was way beyond the ideas we have of even the Egyptian heights. And the dates go way back.

If you go to Giza, check the stone in front of the East side of the Great Pyramid. (Between Cairo & the Pyramid)
You will find 2 demarcation lines of erosion in the rock, one in close to the edge of the pyramid - this represents the erosion since the limestone facing was removed about 1000 years ago. The 2nd is further out & is quite a bit deeper, measurably about 7 times or more. That is the erosion line that used to be at the edge of the limestone facing. If the lesser one is 1000 years, how old is the deeper one?

Caral is a metropolis that was central to maybe 60 towns & villages between the valley & the sea. No evidence of war as a cause - it appears to be fully a trade-initiated civilisation. Dates to the time the Pyramids are supposed to have been built.

Teotihuacan was used by Toltecs & Aztecs but the Aztecs didn't apparently live there. Nobody seems quite sure just who built it but the 3 major pyramids follow the same layout as Giza - large pyramid, slightly smaller on, small 3rd one slightly offset to the line of the 1st 2.

Both Egypt & Mexican pyramids & monuments are VERY carefully aligned to the cardinal points. As an example, Greenwich 0 Longitude in England is not as accurate as the alignment of the Giza pyramid.

Tiahuanaco has stone carved jetties & wharves so it's evident it was a lake-using population. Problem is, the lake moved away, a LOOOOONG time ago - about 12,000 years back. There weren't supposed to be any city builders back then.

The boats on the lake were of identical design to the Nile boats used by the Egyptians & made of reeds.

There's more, much more. If you approach just the physical evidence with an open mind, it is quite easily seen that, at least, we do not know the full story of our history.

Given the false idea most people have of the sea-level rise after the end of the Ice Age, they find it difficult to understand where the builders went or why we don't have more evidence.

But the answers are there if you're willing to look. Or at least the beginnings of answers are.

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Completely false.

And then I stopped reading your post.

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Acolyte,

You have made some radically ATM assertions. Do you have any citations to back them up?

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Thanks, cjl.

Let's assume 10% friction, which brings the force required to move the pyramid given the conditions I mentioned in my previous post up to around 1,030 lbs.

Assuming a downward slope of 45 degrees for the side of the pyramid, you'd need a weight of 1,457 lbs, or just 12 people with a mean weight of 130 lbs.

Just 12 people, with some strong ropes, some smarts, and some rollers, could, without straining, move a 10 ton, 20,000 lb block, up an incline built around the pyrmid during construction.

Do-able? Absolutely!

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