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Old 25-April-2008, 05:38 PM
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Default The mexican and egyptian pyramids were evolved during the same period?

In my opinion, many old type of constructions which are based at these two places,must be co-related with each other. Whenever anyone who will visit the "sphinx" and other egyptian monuments, the immediate question may come in mind, that who kept that big stones and who carved it in the ancient times, it means the technology and the designing aspects were too much developed during that time. I have heard that in Mexico also there are some great ancient monuments which are relevant to the egyptian construction culture.

There may be a contradiction in the opinion that the constructions were made of the great stones, or the stones were carved at different places and then assembled at the site.

May be during that period those things were innovative for them, hence they have developed. Is that monuments keeping acquaintance with the outer world or that particular places are very much co-related to give some signals through it to the space-entities.!!

Or the pyramids were just constructed being the society identity and Maya civilization.

or they are made by the aliens !!

http://www.philipcoppens.com/nexus07_2.html
http://www.delange.org/Teo/Teo.htm
http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/pyramids/home.html
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/science/49832.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs...copyramid.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4881792.stm
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Old 25-April-2008, 09:44 PM
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I have been to Chichen Itza and Tulum.....I have seen the Mayan people of today (they are a small people)...by seeing these places, it really makes you wonder how in the H E double toothpicks these people did all of this...The Temple of Kukulkan....is amazing....huge stones......and we were told by our guide that it line's up with the temples in Egypt (never verified).........In my opinion (after seeing these 2 places) there is no way that the primitive peoples could have moved, carved, and placed all those stones by hand. Combine that with the brutal heat and weather, and it equals a miracle of art and work.....if they did do it by hand, they are better,stronger, and have more tenacity than any one person alive today.

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Old 25-April-2008, 10:23 PM
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There is a good 1000-2000 years (roughly) between the Egyptian pyramids and the Mesoamerican ones. Also consider the different uses to which they were put -- tombs vs. temples.

No aliens necessary, just lots of people. What would you say to the claim that the biggest Indian temples were built by aliens and not humans?

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In my opinion (after seeing these 2 places) there is no way that the primitive peoples could have moved, carved, and placed all those stones by hand.
Maybe they weren't that primitive.
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Seems to me that if you want to build a large stone structure that will last a very , very long time,then a pyramid is a natural shape to choose. You can build a small one, and then make it bigger by adding a row of blocks to each level. Any other shape would probably be less stable or require more material or both. Before long, you would have enough knowledge about what building techniques work and what doesn't. If you are in Mexico, there is no need to be inspired by what the Egyptians did. You can figure it out the same way the Egyptians did: by trial and error.
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And you get the initial idea by looking at a pile of sand or rocks, not by having mysterious emissaries from across the globe tell you about it.
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There's a tribal people, in South America I believe, who ever year have a festival where they build a large tower with platfoms, then leap towards the ground, with only vines and a break-point type hinge to break their fall. If any of this tried it on a whim, we'd probably lose a leg or leave a respectable crater in the ground. Just because the people don't come from what you would consider "civilization" doesn't mean they are stupid.

When I was back in 6th grade, we had a foreign exchange student from South Africa. Next to no English, a peculiar fear of automatic doors, yet the first time the rules of chess were explained to him, he destroyed everyone, including the teachers. He was unstoppable.
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In my opinion (after seeing these 2 places) there is no way that the primitive peoples could have moved, carved, and placed all those stones by hand. Combine that with the brutal heat and weather, and it equals a miracle of art and work.....if they did do it by hand, they are better,stronger, and have more tenacity than any one person alive today.
Nonsense. You severely underestimate the abilities of ancient civilizations. As others have pointed out, these were not primitive people, but were advanced in mathematics, astronomy, and construction, and had a civilization that lasted a very long time. But you are probably right about one thing; they had more tenacity than the average modern internet surfer.
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There's a tribal people, in South America I believe, who ever year have a festival where they build a large tower with platfoms, then leap towards the ground, with only vines and a break-point type hinge to break their fall.
I wonder if you're thinking of the Nagol ritual of Vanuatu islanders (Pacific Ocean).
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Bingo! You nailed it, Disinfo Agent. That'd be them. Saw that on TV months ago.

That's what mystifies me about CTers. REAL reality is far more stranger and more interesting than any random BS someone could invent.
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There is a good 1000-2000 years (roughly) between the Egyptian pyramids and the Mesoamerican ones. Also consider the different uses to which they were put -- tombs vs. temples.

No aliens necessary, just lots of people. What would you say to the claim that the biggest Indian temples were built by aliens and not humans?

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It's not that simple. It may be true for Mesoamerica in the strict sense, but there are structures from South America going back basically to the same era as the Egyptian pyramids. See the wikipedia article here.

I don't know how comparable they are. But in any case, the Mayans should not be seen as the first example of monumental architecture in the Americas.
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Maybe they weren't that primitive.
I'll re-state a quote of mine from the CT section (because it's applicable, and I'm proud of it).

The err is in thinking that people of the past were less intelligent than us, rather than less knowledgeable. There's a big difference between the two.

To expand upon that; humans, as a civilization, make markable gains in knowledge in relatively short periods of time. For instance, the technology to broadcast information over air-waves and land-lines (TV, Radio, Internet, etc.) was not something we knew how to do 200 years ago. The railroad they had 200 years ago were better than the wagon trails 100 years before that. Etc. etc.

But intelligence, or the ability to learn and reason, is something that doesn't change from decade-to-decade or from century-to-century. Our ability to reason isn't all that much different than it was when we roamed to plains of Mesopotamia. Do not think that anchient peoples were stupid, they certainly were not.
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I've seen the term extelligence used for the sum of external knowledge or "intelligence of the culture".
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"Error" is the noun form, Fazor. (New rule, I suppose--repeat something [or put it in a sig line!], and I correct it.)
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"Error" is the noun form, Fazor. (New rule, I suppose--repeat something [or put it in a sig line!], and I correct it.)
But I'm lazy, and that's two more letter I'd have to type. And, as you can see from my post count, I'm always one to shy away from excessive typing...

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In my opinion, many old type of constructions which are based at these two places,must be co-related with each other.
Then, I'm afraid, you are very much mistaken. These "old constructions" are separated not only by geography, but also by time, design and function.
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.. it means the technology and the designing aspects were too much developed during that time.
How can it be "too much developed" when all the physical evidence suggests that these constructions do indeed exist, and have mostly been quite accurately dated?
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There may be a contradiction in the opinion that the constructions were made of the great stones, or the stones were carved at different places and then assembled at the site.
Almost no ancient sites that I've visited (and that's into the hundreds) have a quarry directly attached.
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May be during that period those things were innovative for them, hence they have developed.
The evolution of the pyramid is indeed well attested in Egyptian archeaology.
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From our previous 13-page thread, The Great Pyramids Created By Aliens?, another perspective:
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"..."Assaga" is a phonetic spelling of the name of Atlantean descendants, as articulated by medicine men for hundreds of years...Atlantis was a great island or continent located about where the West Indies are now...Traditionals knew what was going to happen, and so these intelligent beings got away. Some went to Egypt and helped build pyramids everywhere they went. Some went to England where Stonehenge is; they placed those boulders perfectly into position to help people know when to plant crops, among many other things about the seasons...some went south to the Yucatan and other places in Mexico...some to the Amazon and to Peru...".
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Which stones? there are a number of different building and developmewnt phases at Stonehenge.

Why didn't they build a pyramid?
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