Re: Metal.

Ok, I've been around at lot of so called "Smart" people that listen to metal and rave about how intelligent they are...or so they think. Pop music is nothing more then a simple message with a catchy tune that a certain segment of the population can relate to. Heavy metal is the same way. Dave Mustain, being a slight geek, writes songs other geeks can relate to (Five Magics). Rob Zombie, despite being an arrogant little *****, creates music the...eccentric weirdos can relate to. Metal and pop does convey a message. Pop is more about our interactions with other people, like relationships etc. whereas metal conveys messages about, well, the dark side of life like in Metallica's One song or about selling out, which is just about every song on their Loaded CD.

Why classical music makes one smarter? My guess is that people who listen to classical music also are more likely to have read classical works and be more interested in the academic fields rather than, say, dealing drugs on the streets of Baltimore for the Barkly gang. Also, classical music's message is whatever you think it to be. It lets you use your imagination.

Speaking of imagination, I listen to composed melodic trance. Most of it's Swedish stuff, like Trance [] Control. I also to stuff by Lisa Gerrard and the like. Most of my music, you've never heard of I down load off of various websites on the internet(all legal, promotional etc. (www.beatmaka.com, MP3.com etc.). Does it make me smarter, well, I don't have to pay for music, so I guess so.

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Actually, they wrote what the rich elites who hired them paid them to write, which was quite different from the music of most of "the people". What MOST people in their time played for themselves and each other is what we would now call "folk music", which is something else separate from classical and struck the bigshot composers' employers as vulgar. When they finally managed to start sneaking some folk influences into their work or getting more folk-oriented stuff written/performed in their spare time, it contributed to the end of the Classical Era and the beginning of the Romantic Era (which really just means Emotional Era in modern usage of the words).

And that's another contributor to teh lack of popularity of orchestra music. The fewer persons are needed in order to get something played, the easier it is to get it done, so the more it will be done.

I noticed a tendency of mine to really like catching one of the "old" songs from my childhood on the radio once in a while, but then not ever actually play them once I had them in my own music collection and could do so at any time. I figured out that the reason I liked hearing them unexpectedly was not that I actually liked the music, but that I was just remembering having once liked it...

To be precise, they essentially wrote what they wanted to write, within the styles of the times, since very few of their benefactors knew anything about music.

Few classical composers were "well-off" but were instead treated as servants up to the time of Beethoven. Mozart died young in large part because he worked himself to death raising money to pay the bills. Schubert was never able to afford a piano. Bach worked long hours producing vast quantities of church music to meet his employers' demands and keep his 20 children fed.

By the time of Brahms classical composers were becoming self-supporting through concerts, conducting, and sales of their scores. For Brahms early in his career some of his cash flow was from playing piano in a Hamburg bordello.

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dude ... I got banned for starting this thread but it seems like a popular one.

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Maybe einstein and hawkings ... I guess the beatles back in the 60s

OK here they go in order of their popness:

einstein ( audio book )
hawking ( audio book )
beatles
the who
cake
bob dylan
joan baez
zep
grateful dead
head hunters
velvet underground

I really dont see vu, head hunters or grateful dead as pop by anyones standards ...

Dylan and Joan Baez were folk ... maybe one could say that dylan was pop but that would be just because he had written so many songs that some would bound to be pop ... even so what is pop from him?

The beatles that I listen too I am not sure if they ever got played on pop stations even back in the day. I couldnt picture happyness is a warm gun on z100

The who had some pop in the late 80s ... but I like more the Tommy/ woodstock era

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Look at the dissonance between the choice of words for your Titles vs. what is stated in your opening remarks; day and night.

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point is?

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Exactly!

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The point is clear in either the title or the post.

Is the type of music that someone listens to correlated to IQ.
Yes or No.

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Nope, the title saysmeaning (in the form of a question) that pop music is intentionally created for dumb people, this being a marketing ploy.

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Ahhh good point ... I agree. That was sort of my point. I think that pop is pushed to the general public to program them as to what they should like.

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You actually have a point.
I've noticed that the majority of people tend to try to fit in and be accepted by the whole.
I don't think intellect plays a role in it. Because a smart person can want to fit in just as much as a moron might.

But a lot of Popular messages that you see in movies and in music- are really goofy.
I've often reminded people that just because an opinion is popular, that doesn't make it right.

But people have one basic tendency. They WANT.
They LIKE messages that tell them they can have what they want.
They Appreciate movies or music that tell them to pursue what they want.

Read the Personals ads in your local paper sometime.
Fifty thousand lonely ads from Selfish people that list out All the Things They Want in another person, as if some Prince or princess charming is going to appear to pander to those wants.

So it sells. That's what people like, that's what they pay for.

So music and movies are not conditioning people. People are paying for it- and the market panders to their wants.
Like a good Personals Lover should.