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Old 09-May-2008, 05:41 PM
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In amongst to all the "dumb" threads lately, I ran across this story which sounds rather interesting.
The dumb things our brilliant minds do

So maybe its just a plug for some guys hypothesis on why we do dumb things, but the article seems reasonable to me.

I was very unhappy though with this quote...
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A kluge (rhymes with "huge") is defined as a clumsy or inelegant solution to a problem. Marcus's finest example is the contraption used by the Apollo 13 astronauts to get home after their CO2 filters began to fail--using a plastic bag, cardboard box, some duct tape and a sock, they were able to cobble together a new filter and get home safely. Despite the fact that it worked, NASA has never been tempted to incorporate that design into its space projects.
I consider a kluge as not the ideal solution among alternatives. There were no alternatives here. Based on the definition given, I can probably let it slide, but that last sentence just eats at me.
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I consider a kluge as being a clever solution, given circumstances.

And given the circumstances of Apollo 13, the CO2 filter solution was clever.

Yes, that last sentence grates: I think it shows a misunderstanding of the circumstances of the Apollo missions. They didn't create a new filter, they created a mechanism to use a differently-sized filter that was part of the CM for use in the lifeboat, the LM.
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It rhymes with "huge"? I've always pronounced it as rhyming with "fudge."
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It rhymes with "huge"? I've always pronounced it as rhyming with "fudge."
Agreed! But then again, I spelled it kludge!
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Agreed! But then again, I spelled it kludge!
Me, too.
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In my opinion, a kluge (I prefer kludge) does not have to be elegant, clever, or the optimal solution given the circumstances. It just needs to get the job done for the desired time. In fact, I would submit that the ideal kluge is one that works but it is so "klugey/kludgy" you want to remove it as soon as possible.

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I would submit that the ideal kluge is one that works but it is so "klugey/kludgy" you want to remove it as soon as possible.
Ya, something that's bad for failing to have been properly designed... the sense in which Nietzscheans used it as an epithet for inferior unmodified (or little-modified) humans in "Andromeda".
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Wasn't kluge the villain from Star Trek III?
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Wasn't kluge the villain from Star Trek III?
Kruge.
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I challenge anyone who thinks the human mind isn't good enough to make a better one. It is not perfect, no. But it works.
I rather admire the filter rig. Using parts only on board, with a very limited time frame, they fit a square peg in a round hole. No, they wouldn't use it in future missions. But they wouldn't need it in future missions, unless something broke. And if they had needed it, they now had the procedure, and could have replicated it, if needed.
All it needed to do was work, which it did, and by doing so saved the lives of the astronauts.
So too the human brain. We carry a lot of baggage from the stone ages we may feel we don't need. Even if that is true, to get to here, we needed that kludge, and who knows when we may need it again?
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What was the sock for, anyway?
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What was the sock for, anyway?
The Mission Control suggested using a piece of a sock to block the bypass hole in the center of the bottom of the LiOH canister. But it seems the crew opted using a piece a towel instead, so I don't think they needed a sock after all.
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Agreed! But then again, I spelled it kludge!
I spelled it kludge, pronounced it huge, like most people

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In the U.S., kludge traditionally rhymes with stooge, but the pronunciation rhyming with fudge is also encountered (from the alternative spelling pronunciation). Most dictionaries list only the former pronunciation, but Merriam-Webster lists both.
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woo-hoo--I see a weasel word and a citation needed! Most dictionaries--did someone do a survey?
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woo-hoo--I see a weasel word and a citation needed! Most dictionaries--did someone do a survey?
woo-hoo? I call inordinate glee!

Dictionary.com has five entries. The Random House, Ame.Her.Dic., and On-line Dictionary of Computing entries all have the klooj pronunciation, the fudge pronunciation doesn't appear at that webpage--the other two entries (Brita,nica and WorldNet) don't mention pronunciation.

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Kruge.
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