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Old 16-June-2008, 11:23 AM
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Tired of hard-to-read online articles and posts? You're not alone. Reading online is different than reading paper. Apparently we tend to scan online text to a greater extent than with paper, so the text needs to be constructed a bit differently to be more readable online.

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Old 16-June-2008, 12:08 PM
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Personally, I think I completely disagree with most of that. it might be correct on average, but for me, if something is in bold, it had pretty well better be deserving of it.

I completely agree that the font should be some san serif one. Serifs are the devil.

As for people not reading longer passages, I think I'd put it on the writer not the format. 500 words in a single paragraph isn't any more than 500 words split into 10. If the paragraph is interesting, it will be read.

As for article length, I had a teacher in the 6th grade that said that anything written should be like a miniskirt. Long enough to cover the subject, but short enough to make it interesting. His words.
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Old 16-June-2008, 01:58 PM
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I completely agree that the font should be some san serif one. Serifs are the devil.
Serifs make the difference between scribblings and literature.

Then again, I still prefer to read literature on paper.
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Old 16-June-2008, 02:12 PM
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That webpage was getting on my nerves to the point that I couldn't continue reading. Give me a standard paragraph without all the bold, dinky paragraphs, and other garbage any day. I'm with you Tog_.
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So, did nobody else notice that the article was written partly in jest?
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So, did nobody else notice that the article was written partly in jest?
Of course.
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I completely agree that the font should be some san serif one. Serifs are the devil.
In low resolution devices such as most computer screens I agree but once you get above 20-25 pixels to the character height serifs become more readable that sans serif and sans serif becomes the devil's work.

Which is what breaks the idea of one document for both printing and reading on the screen.
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Old 18-June-2008, 09:27 AM
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Okay, first off, if this article really was written in jest, I missed it. Completely.

As for sans vs serifs, on paper, like in a book or a newspaper I don't notice them at all. But anything on a monitor that has them is basically unreadable to me, regardless of the font size. I usually paste the article into Word then change it to Arial with a 12 font size, then zoom to page width which makes it about the same as a 20 point font. I can read for hours this way with less eye strain than I get with any book.

When I started working on my game guide site, I was concerned with the font. I wanted to make it easy to read since it's over 300 pages and growing. I had some input and the sans/serif debate popped up with one person stating that Times New Roman was the perfect font for any text. Another guy said that sans were better on screen, but not Arial since it's too compressed. In the end I went Verdana, which is what the default for this forum seems to be.

Since the site was aimed at a game based on comic books, I originally went Comic Sans, but was told by one person that that font gets old so fast that he only uses it in E-mails to people he wants to annoy.

Another project for this same game is player created in game billboards. They wanted to have some test ads from people to see if the software was working so I worked some up. Again, I was told that serifs are better for large print, no matter how bad I think it looks on the screen. On the 80 mile round trip to work, I pass a lot of billboards and on an informal count, about 60% use a sans font. I didn't count the ones that use a "novelty" font.

Maybe I'm just odd, but I really find serifs hard to read. Small ones are okay most of the time, but the Times font in particular is almost as bad as Mistral as far as readability for me.
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Poor grammar and spelling are greater obstacles to comprehension than anything else when I'm reading on-line.
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Okay, first off, if this article really was written in jest, I missed it. Completely.
Read it again, and see if you catch it this time.

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As for sans vs serifs, on paper, like in a book or a newspaper I don't notice them at all. But anything on a monitor that has them is basically unreadable to me, regardless of the font size. I usually paste the article into Word then change it to Arial with a 12 font size, then zoom to page width which makes it about the same as a 20 point font. I can read for hours this way with less eye strain than I get with any book.
You may have a point. I have to admit that reading online does not seem to strain my eyes as much as reading in print...
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I have to admit that reading online does not seem to strain my eyes as much as reading in print...
See, it's exactly the opposite for me. I can read books all day. I have to break up any online reading or it kills my eyes.
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See, it's exactly the opposite for me. I can read books all day. I have to break up any online reading or it kills my eyes.
I agree with you.
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It will probably end up as a purely individual matter. For myself I enjoy the physical heft, feel and (if old) the smell of a book. But I've been using them for fifty years and I've grown acustomed to their faces. While I could store my whole library on some peanut that fits on my palm I prefer browsing a couple of thousand books scattered around the house. For me, the book is an artifact as well as a source of information. But this is neither right or wrong, just me.
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I'm with Gillian on this one - I can go far longer with a book than online.
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It will probably end up as a purely individual matter. For myself I enjoy the physical heft, feel and (if old) the smell of a book. But I've been using them for fifty years and I've grown accustomed to their faces. While I could store my whole library on some peanut that fits on my palm I prefer browsing a couple of thousand books scattered around the house. For me, the book is an artifact as well as a source of information. But this is neither right or wrong, just me.
You're not the only one, Mike.
But I'm afraid that us bibliophiles might be a dying breed.

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"The smell."
"Computers don't smell, Rupert."
"I know. Smell is the most powerful trigger to the memory there is. A certain flower, or a-a whiff of smoke can bring up experiences long forgotten. Books smell musty and-and-and rich. The knowledge gained from a computer is a - it, uh, it has no-no texture, no-no context. It's-it's there and then it's gone. If it's to last, then-then the getting of knowledge should be, uh, tangible, it should be, um, smelly."
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See, it's exactly the opposite for me. I can read books all day. I have to break up any online reading or it kills my eyes.
me too--I've never tried these "paper ink" e-books like Amazon Kindle that are supposed to solve it (there's a Sony version on display at the local Borders, but it's low-res and slow-responding which I don't like, and don't know if Kindle is the same way or not--but it does have non-lighted text (i.e. you need a book light)). I've held off paying the dough for a Kindle or similar till I hear from more users about benefits and drawbacks versus paper books.
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Another problem with the original page-link posting--my mouse cursor just happened to be in the left-side index bar as I was scrolling down, causing HUGE menus to pop up overtop of the text I was half-reading.

That's a great example of how not to design a web page.
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