Chatroom
 

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum > General > Off-Topic Babbling
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

   

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #31 (permalink)  
Old 25-June-2008, 07:29 PM
billslugg billslugg is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Albany, GA
Posts: 117
Default The Answer to the Original Post

The answer to the OP is that the higher you can set the AC for the longest period of time is the cheapest. Period.

The heat flow out of the house via the AC is exactly equal to the heat flux into the house.

The heat flux into the house is exactly proportional to Integral deltaT dT.
__________________
Bill Slugg
Albany, GA

Last edited by billslugg; 25-June-2008 at 07:30 PM. Reason: tytpo
Reply With Quote
  #32 (permalink)  
Old 25-June-2008, 09:25 PM
RalofTyr's Avatar
RalofTyr RalofTyr is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: LV-426
Posts: 948
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by weatherc View Post
Your grandparents didn't have computers, either, yet here you are, posting on the internet.
What does that have to do with anything?

Man, if the power ever goes out, Americans will be doomed to sweat to death and whine about it all day.
__________________
Fields of Space

LOGIC, n.
The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding.

In the Year 2525.

"One small step for (a) man. One giant leap for mankind".

If an astronaut doesn't need good grammar, niether does you.

Host of Seraphim
Reply With Quote
  #33 (permalink)  
Old 25-June-2008, 09:29 PM
Swift's Avatar
Swift Swift is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The beautiful north coast (Ohio)
Posts: 11,898
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivan Viehoff View Post
I used to think that. But actually the body is designed to acclimatise to higher temperatures, it just doesn't do so instantly, and you've probably never given it the opportunity. So you could probably get used to it, it just wouldn't be very comfortable while you did.
That might be true for some people and in some cases, but not for me. I lived in New Orleans for two years and had my headaches constantly (that's when I first realized the seriousness of my problem).
__________________
At night the stars put on a show for free (Carole King)

One Earth, One Sky - IYA 2009
Reply With Quote
  #34 (permalink)  
Old 26-June-2008, 03:44 AM
Maksutov's Avatar
Maksutov Maksutov is offline
Honored Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Fifth corner of the Earth
Posts: 16,731
Default Re: A/C question: off or up?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swift View Post
That might be true for some people and in some cases, but not for me. I lived in New Orleans for two years and had my headaches constantly (that's when I first realized the seriousness of my problem).
Maybe it wasn't the heat, but the hurricanes.
__________________
A person's name, or a mark representing it, as signed personally or by deputy, as in subscribing a letter or other document.
Reply With Quote
  #35 (permalink)  
Old 26-June-2008, 12:45 PM
NEOWatcher's Avatar
NEOWatcher NEOWatcher is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: the E(e)rie coast
Posts: 7,692
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RalofTyr View Post
Man, if the power ever goes out, Americans will be doomed to sweat to death and whine about it all day.
They won't even know how to whine without the internet.
__________________
Numbers are not case sensitive. (me)
Reply With Quote
  #36 (permalink)  
Old 26-June-2008, 02:34 PM
Trocisp Trocisp is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 399
Send a message via AIM to Trocisp Send a message via MSN to Trocisp Send a message via Skype™ to Trocisp
Default

With Laptops and UPS' who needs an active power source?
Reply With Quote
  #37 (permalink)  
Old 26-June-2008, 03:41 PM
Ivan Viehoff Ivan Viehoff is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Chalfont St. Giles, England
Posts: 491
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by geonuc View Post
It makes sense, though. To heat up a space, all you have to do is burn some fossil fuel and circulate the air. To cool it, you have to run a compressor and circulate the air. Compressors are energy hogs.
There's been an awful lot of odd physics in this thread (says an economist), not just the quote here.

Aircon units are heat-pumps, and can therefore shift substantially more energy than they consume. From what I can see, typical portable aircon units have an "efficiency" (SEER) of around 300%, and installed units in buildings in some US states are REQUIRED to have an efficiency of more than 1000% (ie SEER > 10).

If it takes longer to cool a room by 10 degrees than heat it up by 10 degrees, that's simply because your heating system has a higher output than your aircon. I don't agree with whoever said that heating a building is easier than cooling it because the nature of the losses is different between heating and cooling. A object will have more or less the same propensity to return itself to its equilibrium temperature whichever direction the temperature disturbance is in. Of course, if our building is still a long way from equilibrium and we not only have to cool it back to comfort but also work against the heat input that is heating it up, then that is more work, but in general heating/cooling systems change the indoor temp much more quickly than the application of the exterior effects, or at least they ought to if you have a sensible amount of insulation. In general when we heat a building it is usually further from its equilibrium temperature than when we cool it (ie winters are further from comfort temp than summers in most places) so actually the summer cooling ought to be easier than the winter heating.

Also whoever said that there is only conduction in cooling is wrong. A clear sky is a powerful radiative cooler. Look up radiation frost here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frost
Reply With Quote
  #38 (permalink)  
Old 26-June-2008, 05:26 PM
crosscountry's Avatar
crosscountry crosscountry is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Texan in Texas
Posts: 4,641
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivan Viehoff View Post
Aircon units are heat-pumps, and can therefore shift substantially more energy than they consume. From what I can see, typical portable aircon units have an "efficiency" (SEER) of around 300%, and installed units in buildings in some US states are REQUIRED to have an efficiency of more than 1000% (ie SEER > 10).

that's something most of us don't think about.




I remember as a child being yelled at for leaving the front door open, "what were you born in a barn?" was one standard response. Another was, "are you trying to cool Texas?" Of course the reply to that was "nope, trying to heat it up"
__________________
"I will do my best to understand and explain the universe from big to small without invoking miracles, unrepeatable events, or divine intervention. In place of those things I will use observations, mathematics, and science."


-Cross
My travel blog

Some of my Astrophotography


Those that lack education have a hard time understanding its value. - Cross
Reply With Quote
  #39 (permalink)  
Old 26-June-2008, 06:18 PM
geonuc's Avatar
geonuc geonuc is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 1,794
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivan Viehoff View Post
There's been an awful lot of odd physics in this thread (says an economist), not just the quote here.
This remark wasn't necessary, Ivan. Just make your point.

Your argument can be rebutted, but given your preamble, I'll not be the one to do it.
Reply With Quote
  #40 (permalink)  
Old 26-June-2008, 06:42 PM
farmerjumperdon farmerjumperdon is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Wisconsin USA
Posts: 3,943
Default

My own experience is mucho savings by using the programmable thermostat to reduce use when not at home and when sleeping.
__________________
Don of Borg - Cool, Calm, Collective.

"Within the next generation I believe that the world's leaders will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
Reply With Quote
  #41 (permalink)  
Old 26-June-2008, 06:51 PM
ToSeek's Avatar
ToSeek ToSeek is offline
Vulcan Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Greenbelt, MD
Posts: 24,335
Default

Another issue is that you make your electric utility company a lot happier by minimizing your electricity usage during peak hours. I'm sure this is an oversimplification, but the utility is going to organize its sources of electricity by cost, running the cheapest ones all the time and only kicking in the most expensive ones when absolutely necessary. So if you minimize your electricity usage during the hottest hours (3-7 pm in this area), you're saving the utility money and, in the end, yourself as well since they can keep the rates lower. That's what my wife and I try to do (which is easy for me since I don't usually get home from work until around 7 pm!)
__________________
Everything I need to know I learned through Googling.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Parallax question. Two actually... man on the moon Questions and Answers 19 17-November-2007 01:25 AM
Creationism and a "rate of star formation" question Robert Carnegie Questions and Answers 32 29-September-2007 11:34 PM
Test your intelligence Titana Off-Topic Babbling 184 20-January-2007 09:23 PM
Apollo tracking stations - very specific amplifier question Nicolas Space Exploration 17 20-March-2006 09:28 PM
A question for Arthur C Clarke The Watcher Astronomy 9 27-February-2004 01:34 AM


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.0.0
©  2006 Bad Astronomy and Universe Today