Is anyone else baffled by this callous and myopic view of tattoos?

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that's a better analogy that doesn't involve criminal behavior (well, in most communities anyway)



Do you think the guy in the picture is going for shock value? Or is it just an outward expression of his inner self?

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I'm baffled that you don't see a difference between a couple of tattoos and the guy with stuff all over his face. I've stated quite clearly that I'm not against tattoos. I've also stated that my view is different regarding excessive body art. There's a line somewhere and when you see the person that crossed it - you know.

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Ah yes the famous "I know when I see it" argument. Very objective.

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It's not obective. We were talking about hiring people. It's just one of the many subjective judgments that go into making a hiring decision. People make subjective judgment calls about people all the time. I would question the honesty of those that claim not too.

A shady looking character is loitering around a park and you're playing there with your kids. You decide to leave. For all you know that person is the nicest guy in the world, but you made a subjective character assessment based on appearances and acted according to that judgment. Walking home after dark, a car with tinted windows starts following you slowly. You duck into an open business for safety. Could've been a nice young person just looking for directions, but you've made a subjective judgment about the person in that car without ever meeting them.

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Just about anything that an individual chooses to do to his/her own body is up to them to decide. However, just as freedom of speech doesn't mean you aren't free from criticism of what you say, "public" (visible) tattoos and piercings can and often do have consequences such as not being selected for some jobs that deal with the public. There are things people do that can be damaging to themselves and these aren't exactly a secret. Doing the things and then complaining about the consequences is pointless.

That would depend entirely on the work.

Phone assistant? Definitely.
Sales rep targeting fortune 500 companies, probably not, unless he can document prior success in that line(after the mods).
Outreach to troubled teens? He'd be one of my first picks.

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When I was in Germany I read an article about a guy that only wore open vests (no shirt) pink mohawked hair, chains and the likes. He called himself "Punk". The article discussed his attempt to get unemployment benefits. In order to get those benefits one has to apply for jobs. Well, he didn't get any and wanted support from the government. They were reluctant to give this guy money when his personal choices caused his failure in obtaining a job.

They asked him to cut and dye his hair to look normal and wear appropriate clothing for a job interview. He refused claiming, "that's not me." Neither is working it seems.

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The view of tattoos that baffles me is the one that says, "The fact that someone tattooed their skin does not in any way differentiate them from someone who hasn't."

Utterly baffles me.

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For that matter, the decision to do the thing demonstrates a part of the personality. It's an act of defiance against the culture. It's knowingly, consciously, deliberately rubbing something in other people's faces just because you know they won't like it. It's trying to create confrontations just for the purpose of blaming them on the other parties and setting up opportunities to give people your speech about your rights and what rotten people they are. It goes a step beyond expressing individuality and into trying to elevate yourself above the rest of society and exempt yourself from it, telling the world that you're the most important thing in it and everybody else owes you something.

This is not prejudice; it's just logically inevitable that someone who takes an action with known predictable results (such as shocking or disgusting other people) is choosing to invite those results to happen. If (s)he really didn't want the results, (s)he could simply not choose to bring them on, so there's no use in taking the action and claiming not to want the results.

And there are indeed jobs that the above attitude disqualifies a person for, just as hating math and machines makes one unqualified to be an engineer, and not being an outgoing & talkative attention-seeker makes one unqualified to host a TV/radio show.

Then there's a choice to make about how much to fit in to each of the two cultures (s)he has an interest in, and what his/her priorities are when they conflict. Whichever way (s)he decides, (s)he gets the results of the decision (s)he made.

Duane Johnson, still better known to many as "The Rock" even after having left "wrestling", is half Samoan and has some tattoos (or one big one) related to his Samoan heritage, along with another one that looks probably unrelated. He's kept the display within limits that are easy to cover with clothing, and has makeup artists cover them when he's making appearances where clothing won't do it but they still aren't appropriate to the context (such as most movies, where they don't fit the character he's playing).

I know of few to no tattooed people that get a tattoo in defiance of something or to try to elevate themselves above a crowd in some way. Your tone in the above quote is quite acerbic, generalized, and offensive.

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My question was:
If this question made you uncomfortable, then to me it shows a bias!
I posed this question to those who were anti tattoos and body piercings.

time? date? where?

how is it founded?
how can you draw a conclusion on anybody? do you judge a book by its cover, have you ever done something in your life and you were happy about that choice, but your friends said to you "I wouldn't have done that?"
Having a tattoo is a big decision for anyone to make, some people just copy of others because they can't think for themselves, it is those people who make the rash choices and regret it another day.
Do you draw the same opinion on people who dye their hair a totally different colour because they want to change the way they look?
Is that a wrong choice for them and you form your opinion because they have dyed it red or black?
I used to get fed up with people copying my hair styles or they copied the way I dressed, a complement yes, but everybody wants individuality too.
I have got my tattoos because I wanted them, not because I want to say to the world "HEY I HAVE THIS TATTOO BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO BE REPULSED BY IT". It is my skin I do what I want in it.



The guy in the picture probably owns his own tattoo shop and he probably classes it as an advertisement for his studio, what makes you think he has no employment? just by looking at him?

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Because it is based on a conscious decision that the person made.

I draw conclusions about people based on their actions, the things they choose to do.

Would I judge the person who designed/approved the cover on the basis of their decision to design/approve said cover? Yup.

I know! That's why I don't believe that decision says nothing about them!

The same opinion? No. Hair dying is temporary, for one thing. But, yes, I do draw conclusions about people who dye their hair - however, the conclusions I would draw about somebody who dyed their hair black would likely be very different than those I would draw about somebody who dyed their hair purple.

Guess what? Simply by virtue of the fact that you have tattoos, I had already concluded that you would have that attitude.

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wait a minute. we are discussing professions outside of tattoo shops.





I think this whole discussion can be boiled down to one phrase, "Dress for the job you want". People that get tattoos on their face are not looking to be bankers or politicians. People that wear suits and ties probably aren't looking for jobs as truck drivers.



Dress for the job you want.

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Sorry - just thought this was funny.

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yup I should have worded that a little different!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes CC dress for the job!

seanf , you can't judge a person by what they have do or wear from a glance at them, that alone is bigotry.
My tattoos are not on show all of the time and it isn't as if I am covered in them, infact I get a lot of compliments when people see them, including elderly people.
If you don't want or have a tattoo I am not going to call you a wimp because you have chosen not to have one.
You might do bungee jumping or throw yourself out of a perfectly good aeroplane with a bit of silk to ensure you survive the fall, something I wouldn't do, but that is your choice and I wouldn't judge you on them, so why is a tattoo any different?
If I never said I had a tattoo or piercing you wouldn't have formed a different opinion of me?

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