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View Poll Results: Are you proud to be an American?
Yes - very proud 21 48.84%
Yes - moderately proud 5 11.63%
Only a little pround 2 4.65%
Not proud 4 9.30%
I am not an American 11 25.58%
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Old 05-July-2008, 04:48 PM
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So the US protects hate-speech. Wonderful thing to be proud of.

The alternative is worse. Ray Bradbury wrote a book on possible consequences of letting political correctness go too far, outlawing speech that offends somebody--Fahrenheit 451.
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I was not going to criticise or even comment on the replies, because I think each one is personal, but seeing Henrik's post I feel the need to balance it out a little bit:

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2. Americans have more freedom of expression. I cannot use Nazi symbols in Germany or Austria. If I criticize Islam in Canada I run the risk of being charged with hate crimes. The U.S. protection of Free Speech is greater than in most other nations.
I think this is a good thing about the U.S. I don't like the fad of anti-hate speech legislation (and attitudes) that has been sweeping certain countries. I think at best it's a diversion from the issues that truly matter, and at worst the start of a dangerous slippery slope.

If I were to criticise freedom of speech in the U.S., I would do it on entirely different grounds, but that's a discussion for another time.
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One could view the Bill of Rights (most of it anyway) as a way of preventing the government from becoming a tyranny. Freedom of Speech is one such way--diluting free speech is a slippery slope to a situation similar to China/Iran/etc. where people get arrested for their blog posts--which, of course, makes it hard to reform government when needed. Each of the first ten Amendments can be interpreted under the philosophy of "preventing the government from getting too powerful".
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I started to write up a list of what the US is best with or has the best of, and contrast that with a list of what other nations are the best with and have the best of -- but decided that "best" is often EXTREMELY subjective.

Let's all admit that most claims of "best" this and that are more feel-good rah-rah cheerleading rather than objective fact - especially if you have to consider a huge smorgasboard of factors.
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The Index of Global Philanthropy shows that Americans donate more to developing nations than any other nation on Earth, and that the largest portion of this giving is from private sources rather than official government aid.
While in absolute terms this is true, it is not accurate in terms of the percentage of gross national income that is donated. Chart 5 on page 16 of the 2007 Report on The Index of Global Philanthropy ranks USA in 7th position among OECD donor countries. Sweden, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Norway, Denmark and Canada occupied positions 1 - 6.
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The alternative is worse. Ray Bradbury wrote a book on possible consequences of letting political correctness go too far, outlawing speech that offends somebody--Fahrenheit 451.
I agree. Even with America's more liberal freedom of speech laws it has not encouraged an increase in racist violence compared to European countries that have much stricter freedom of speech laws. I dont know the stats but i bet there are as many neo-nazi groups in Europe as there are in the US.
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Apparently in both old Spain and Portugal, the word “gringo” originally meant “Greek” and then later it meant any “foreigner”. So our American word "foreigner" means "gringo".

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gringo
Let us say that the etymology on that is very uncertain, and if they're stating it as a fact, someone needs to change the page to add the other half-dozen possibilities. (Such as that it stems from US soldiers in the Mexican-American was singing "Green Grow the Rushes.")
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The Fourth of July is over. I think it is time to disallow nationalism at BAUT again.
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