Please define "researched'...
Cosmicdave, will you PLEASE stop twisting my words into whole new meanings? It is wearing thin.
That was not an admission, it was a statement. Science has no REASON to embrace ghost stories.
That means that there's no REASON to- not because it doesn't WANT to.
Relativity looked weird when it was new. Yet it did become embraced because Science had a REASON to, it could not deny the experimental evidence that supports relativity.
We continue to test and test and test Relativity and everything else about science. It's always put to the test. The testing never ends. With more testing comes more knowledge, greater accuracy and better theories.

Again, you're attempting to paint Mainstream as the Bad Guy- yet you have no evidence for that claim, either.


I won't make an argument on this one, because I come very close to agreeing with you.
But the government also cannot control independent research.
Independent researchers in the field are free to research and publish their findings. That said, there still remains the problems that I outlined above.
Well it isn't about what governments "allow", it is about the market.
You attribute more control to governments than governments actually possess.

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Cosmicdave, Peace Makes Plenty just handed it to you on a silver platter.
You made many claims in absolute confidence.
Yet, when you provided a transcript, the transcript did NOT line up with your claims. It lined up much better with Mooses claims, LotusExcells' claims, Spock Jenkins claims and others.
Your statements were, in fact, very inaccurate.
And this is the problem with the websites you are linking to as well. It's more of what you have been doing.
I sent an email a short while ago to littlegreys@hotmail and we'll see what kind of response I get.
I am probably Not The Best Candidate for "testing" - I merely threw the offer out there to be read out of my own curiosity and because no one else had yet offered.

Not every creak and temperature change – but I do think they take those things that they can’t immediately explain and attribute them to ghosts if they don’t see an obvious basic explanation.

I can see how a somewhat generic description can me made to fit an individual that a believer wants the image to fit. Especially when you throw in “acquaintance” of the person he is talking to. Think about how many acquaintances any one individual will have. If they want to believe, they will make that generic description fit the acquaintance. They will ignore those things that don’t match and give a close enough to those things that do.

Let’s revisit your friend who’s house you did work on two or three times a year. You’re absolutely certain that your brother never once would’ve seen a picture or heard the name of this woman’s deceased husband? Maybe in an early visit. Then some random event triggers the memory and he described him to her. You did say you knew her well and were there a few times.

Let’s also consider the “pain in the left ear area” vs. jaw surgery claim. How many “hits” can be attributed to a “pain in the left ear area? Someone could suffer migraines, have an ear ache, a ruptured ear drum, your subject attributed it to jaw surgery, an infected piercing, a person that they know with any of these afflictions. Any one of these items could be considered a hit. It’s a far cry from, “The spirit is asking me how your recovery from jaw surgery is going.” And again, even if that were the case – we’d have to double blind the test to rule out any possible way of you or your brother knowing about the jaw surgery. For example, glancing through blog entries on MySpace.

A prank was just one possible explanation, and just because you’re in your 40’s doesn’t mean a prank can’t be fun anymore. Several other possibilities were posed, one of which is simply overlooking them for a time. It’s far more reasonable than a ghost entering your kitchen, opening the drawer, picking out the scissors, moving them to a different location for a time (one that neither of you stumble upon), then coming back and replacing the scissors at a later date. I mean, you are both in your 40’s.

Your 70 year old mother may have stopped by, noticed some books laying around and not knowing where they went, decided to stack them on your bed. I’ve come home to a vacuumed floor and laundry folded on the bed. Mother in law – not a ghost. Again – I only offer these as one possible more basic explanation that does not require a ghost to enter your residence, pick out some books, stack them neatly on the bed, and wait around and watch for your reaction – or leave.

Right – but guessing that ghosts did it is reasonable. We are admittedly guessing. But we are guessing based on the limited information supplied. Having not been there, it’s all we can offer other than to say, “Yep – sounds like a ghost did it!”

This is a quote of yours from earlier. I agree. Either you perceive that ghosts are the cause of many things if a basic cause isn’t obvious, or you accept more mundane explanations in the absence of sufficient information.

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Somewhat on topic....

Captain Disillusion tackles a ghost


http://pop.youtube.com/user/CaptainDisillusion

Hehe, there are some fun videos related to ghost on youtube. I hadn't seen those though. Apperantly you can buy ghosts in the US.;p

There are some ghost investigation videos there too... You know what strikes me about the concept of paranormal investigation is that it has no real purpouse beyond entertainment. The results never show any useful information. "No activity detected" that can mean that there is nothing there, but it may also mean that the ghost is of having tea with Hanako and Dodraugen. "Anomalous activity detected" might mean no ghost, but something affected our gadgets, or that the ghost is holding a grand party for all the ghosts in that hemisphere... The end result is always "inconclusive" and even if you have a shipping container full of "inconclusive", it still will not amount to anything.

Of course, this only applies to those who try to make it out to be scientific, the believer would probably have something more like "confirmed haunting" meaning anything from some draft or cold that can't be readily explainet to the air being so full of flying stuff that it is impossible to enter or "no ghosts detected" meaning there may be nothing there or that the ghost is having a hangover from the party last night, and doesn't care to show itself.

Anyway, It really seems we have hit that snag that almost always turns up in dscussions between a believer and a skeptic; the different opinion the two mindsets have on what constitutes good evidence. It is quite probable that we can continue discussing this until the last year of fimbulvinter without comming to an agreement.

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I have no clue what "fimbulvinter" is, but I think it's a great word.

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Just because some guy waved something you describe as 'scientific equipment' around on tv doesn't make it Science.

As for alternative fuels. Diesel and Petrol in the UK are already 5% bio derived, that is supposed to rise to 20% over the coming years. I know a guy who runs his van on 'chip fat'. Well, Vegetable Oil anyway.he quarter fills up on Diesel and then tops up with oil from the cash and carry, it's half the price on diesel. Doing it that way your exhaust doesn't smell like a kitchen and if you get your tank 'dipped' by Customs and Excise they can't tell you haven't paid duty on it.

Plus the Govt has announced recently a huge expansion in WInd Power. We are getting a huge Wind Farm offshore at Teesmouth, they have started work on it.

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So if I wanted to argue about the Apollo landings, I wouldn't send non believers to check out the data on NASA websites then?

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NASA has data. That data has been verified/scrutinized countless times by independent observers. That is the major difference here. I've seen no data given by you save anecdotal/word-of-mouth/web-based stories. That is not data - that is stories. i could tell you how my camera survived a 6-foot fall with a 400mm lens on it. But I don't have any evidence that it did other than my word. Why should you believe me?

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It is... It is kind of a sad story though. In norse mythology it was predicted that as ragnarok drew near there would be three whole years of perpetual winter, terrible wars would break out, brothers would fight, there would be a general failure of law and order, that is of course Fimbulvinter, and then, the armies(even of the dead) and the gods would go to the final war...

Strangely enough, I seem to remember that it was predicted that two humans would survive and become the start of a new line of humans, I guess even the old norse needed some hope for humankind...

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Makes a bit of a difference doesn't it?

When you have data that Anyone can come along, go over your calculations and arrive at the same conclusions...

As opposed to Anecdotes where someone claims they saw something that they think may have been such and such...

Its really great that when we have debates like this that only evidence that backs up your theory is mentioned. So here is a list of the things that my brother got right during that reading.

Lets start with questions that were asked directly about her.

1. Q: Something wrong with her left ear
A: She has a scar that touches her left ear from jaw surgery

2. Q: She should be wearing glasses
A: She knows she should but she doesn't

3. Q: She has a scar on the bridge of her nose
A: Correct

4. Q: She had a black cat
A: Correct - she just had it put to sleep

5. Q: Cream coloured tiles in her kitchen
A: Correct

6. Q: 19 and March
A: The day she got married

She then asks him about a specific person. My brother says correctly that he has a beard and is a father figure. He also correctly says that she has a photo of him sitting on a wall near a white coloured building and water. She confirms this as being near the new white dam and reservior.

7. Q: Has he got a black and white dog similar to a collie?
A: Yes, it is part wolf.

8. Q: His wife isn't very tall
A: Yes, that is me

9. Q: Have you had your appendix out or in that region? (also mentions a C shaped scar)
A: Yes appendix and complete hysterectamy. Yes it is C shaped.

10.Q: Your left hand index finger has a scar on it
A: Yes, I had an operation on it because I had trigger finger.

11.Q: Your kitchen door sticks going to the outside
A: Yes she agrees.

12.Q: You have turquoise carpet?
A: Yes, in the rec room and the car

13.Q: Something to do with a bird? a child? you when you were younger?, it is the size of a budgie with funny stripes?
A: Yes, I had a rocky mountain bluebird, very odd stripes, very unique.

14.Q: I'm picking up a white car with red on it - check the tyres - back left.
A: Yes, thats my pickup. The back left tyre is bald!

15.Q: There's something around the tyre that is red... a cap maybe?
A: Yes it has red writing on it.

16.Q: Big Ging says Hi?
A: My best friend was called ginger - he died in a car crash.

17.Q: Something with the surname Roberts?
A: That is her maiden name.

18. Q: Who is Marj or Marjorie?
A: My grandmother

19.Q: Do you know somebody who lost part of their leg in a motorcycle accident?
A: My father

20.Q: A funny incident at the swimming pool?
A: They pushed me in with all my clothes on

21.Q: Do you know an animal called Skipper?
A: My chipmunk

22.Q: Anchorage?
A: My sister lives there
23.Q: Who is Ray?
A: That is my middle name.

So, that is 23 specific questions that relate to her and her close family. This is not cold reading. He specifically told her that she had a scar on her nose, had something wrong with her left ear, the shape of the scar on her stomach, described a photograph which contained the exact person who she asked him about. Got the date of her wedding, the colour of her cat, car, that the car had a bald tyre on the back left (there was a choice of 4 if you think he was cold reading), that there was red near the tyre, her kitchen door stuck, she should be wearing glasses, that she knew somebody who lost a leg in a motorcycle accident, the name Ging, who was her closest friend, she owned a bird as a child that had strange stripes on it, an event at the swimming pool, the name of her pet chipmunk, her grandmothers name, colour of her carpet and kitchen tiles. And even her complete name - including her middle name.

so, I will now present a challenge to all the people who think that they can cold read and get the same results.

You have 5 guesses at what my middle name is and the number of the house I live in, and the colour of my front door.

Shouldn't be too hard?

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First of all, if your going to debate then please quote me correctly. I have never said ‘pain in the left ear.’ My brother asked if she had ‘something wrong with your left ear area?’

If she had come to my house and started moving around books she would have said. Especially as we related the incident to her the following week.

Ok then, put yourself into the situation. You and the other person who lives in your house goes out for the day. On your return books are piled up on your bed. You know the other person didn’t do it because they have been with you all day. You were the only person to take a house key out of the house and the only other person who possesses such a key is your mother who has no transport and who is nearing the age of 70. You talk to her in the meantime and she doesn’t reveal that she visited on that day – in fact, the last time she visited was almost a year beforehand.

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The only coincidence between NASA and this subject is that only NASA can provide pictures of men on the moon. You can't get it from any other source. They have the only pictures. So why do you believe them?

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We can, with technology, examine the landing site and see their footprints. They brought back moon rocks which have been studied over and over again and can even be seen in person. See the difference is we can confirm they were there independantly. We are not relying on the astronauts saying "oh yeah we were there".

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Maybe we should be more open-minded. My uncle in Florida had a small cabin cruiser that ran very nicely on water.

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Semantics. You didn’t address my point, which was that any number of items could have been interpreted as a positive hit. Your brother did not say, “You had jaw surgery on this date on the left side of your jaw.” He said, “something wrong with your left ear area?” She supplied the information that made it a hit. Migraines or other headaches would be a hit. A head cold with a ruptured eardrum or pressure would be a hit.

The point everyone is making that you are not allowing for is that you have a very willing subject who was supplying answers that met the questions. As she was in the U.S. – you have no way of confirming that she is even interpreting things correctly or just giving you guys a bunch of close enough info because she is into this sort of thing.

Once again you bring of March 19th as a hit. He said 19. She indicated what it meant to her. He did not say, “Your wedding anniversary is on March 19th. You were married for 10 years then divorced.”

She’s 70 years old. She picks up a few books and forgets she does it. Either that or you or your brother quickly move some books before you rush out in the morning and forget you that you did it.

If I were in that situation, I wouldn’t think anything of it. Odds are I was in a hurry, stacked the books up and took off. During a busy day I forgot I did it. No big deal. I would not be inclined to think, “Ghosts did it!” I suppose I’m just not wired to think that way.

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No, things your brother threw out there that she related to in some fashion.


Wrong. Something was wrong with her jaw, not her ear.

Ok...

Ok...

Ok..., However He did not say she had a black cat. He said "Something ABOUT a black cat" which opens her up to say ANYTHING about black cats... That she ran one over once... That she is afraid of them, that her neighbor had one- Who Knows. She just saw a movie with one (Matrix?) I mean Black cats are so engrossed in culture- that is a no brainer.

Who Doesn't have them?

Wrong. He did NOT say it was a date at all!
He through the Number 19 out there.
Throwing a random number out there to someone who is going to ponder about IF it has significance or not makes a very easy hit!


Ok...

A wolf is not a Collie. At All.

Not a hit, it was easy to surmise after she described him in detail and then said she was his wife at one time- then pretend to have been ABOUT to comment she wasn't tall. It looks cool, but she had already given a hint in that direction.

Wrong. Mentioned the scar AFTER she told What Kind of Surgery.
Incidentally, most women do have scars on their bellies. (Don't ask me why I know that )

Ok... But she did not confirm the location of the scar. Most peoples hands also have scars on them, mine are practically scars with fingers.

Again, the problem here is that she doesn't confirm the location. Very few kitchens have sliding doors, but it is common that one will be next to the kitchen, in the dining room. Martin was thinking of a Kitchen Door, not a dining room slider.

Ok... I WOULD take that as a hit in the HOUSE. How many people would have that in a house?
However, I call exception to the statement she makes that it's in her car- Many many cars have odd color carpets- and this demonstrates that she's Searching to try to find things to line up with his vague cold read questions.

Wrong.
Here is what was in the transcript:
HAHAHA I love it! She said, "Like What?" That's a clue right there.
He then tried to tie the bird to her own childhood- and got lucky.
After that- is this:
He didn't know what she was asking. Threw out the cold read guess (Which is a logical one, Most people would react and feel like they've had a lot of bad luck in life) But it missed. It wasn't what she meant. He then- Changed The Subject!


Wrong on three counts.
1.) He said red Somewhere ion the vehicle. He said car- but she said it was a pick up
2.) Now that the topic went to tires- he tied the red to the tires.
There are two colors used for writing on used tires- Red or White. New tires- Blue. He knew that the tires were Not new- and had already said red. Got lucky.
3.) he said to check the tires- this is open ended and could mean ANYTHING- she instantly related that to a tire that has no tread.

See above.

That's an apparent hit. So we are at One Real Hit. And yet, she has MySpace page etc, Most everyone I know that has MySpace pages also have other webpages as well. Could any of that other information have been available on OTHER pages than MySpace?
I'll let it stand as one hit so far, But I don't accept that is evidence because I have no way of knowing if the information is available somewhere.

Wrong.
He blindly threw out a name and she related to it.
One of the influential Teachers in My Life- English teacher named - Mr. Roberts. Relating to a random name is easy.


He missed that one though. Blew right passed it and tried again though. This time More Cautiously without trying to specify a person. ("Something to do with...")

Another "Something to do with 'this name' question.
He guessed she was big.
She said No.
Then she changed that answer to "kinda"

After that- something interesting occurs...
You asked a side question to ensure that she's feeling emotionally responsive to your 'read'.
She misunderstood- and Brought up her ideas about Butterflies. This demonstrates that your inadvertent question still led her to 'be obliging' and find a significance to the question.

Ok.
But I know four people that have been in morotcycle accidents AND one of them ALSO injured his left leg very badly- and this was just a matter of weeks ago.
A right handed rider Usually falls to the LEFT when they slide out on a bike. This puts the left leg in danger. So a very simple read on that one too.


Who hasn't this happened to?
A LOT of these questions, I can relate to Just as Easily as she can.


Ok. I'll accept this one. Number Two. Same conditions as before.


So? I know people in Anchorage. My housemate went on a Cruise Ship to Anchorage. Again, random thrown question that she found significance for.


WHO is Ray?
This STRONGLY indicates he threw out a random name. If he knew her middle name, he wouldn't of asked who Ray was.
There are many of these in the transcript that you have not included here in this post I'm replying to, where he asks about a random name, she mentions an insignificant person, and he breezes on by it.


Heck Most of them related to me just as easy.

I just spelled out where, how and why it was.

Wrong. It was her jaw.
Wrong. He threw a random Number out.

Wrong. It was a pick up that was white, not a car with red on it.

Wrong.
He said check the tires, SHE said one tire was bald. She could have said ANYTHING about the tires, or just checked them later wondering...

Wrong. Sliding door adjacent.

So? I know four of them. Plus- he did NOT lose the leg.

Granting this one for now.

Wrong, he threw the name out there and SHE said it was her closest friend. He gave no indication that he knew that.

Wrong. He said "Something about a child"
He then turned that INTO her childhood when the question didn't produce a hit. Knowing that she had a bird now- he asked if she had one as a child. She described the bird.

Who hasn't had an event at a pool?

He asked about an animal named- but it's close. Granting it.

Wrong. He asked about a name- she related that name to her grandmother. He gave no indication of knowing who the name belonged to or why- Like asking who RAY was only to find it was her middle name. Throw a random name and see if it's familiar in some way.

Very common color for kitchen or bath tiles.

In bits and pieces, scattered across the conversation by throwing out random names. Dead- WRONG.


WRONG.
Your brother did NOT do that with her. He threw out random names and waited for her to answer what they might mean to her.

How about you let us throw out random numbers and names and have you tell us what they mean to you- and then we will claim to have guessed them.

One problem with my having just dissected that cold read from start to finish and exposing that the questions were vague spewings of random names and numbers...

It's a safe bet that Cosmicdave's brother will Really find a reason to NOT give me a cold read now!!
Clearly, I won't fall for the trick of the read- to find significance to the randomly generated questions about names and numbers.

However, I'm still perfectly willing to give it a shot if he's game!

That said, BAUT is composed of thousands of members. If Cosmicdaves brother cannot read me for this or that reason...

Do we have any volunteers that he can read? I'm sure out of so many many members, one should be spiritually compatible with Martin's claimed ability.

I will volunteer.

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Disagree on a hit here. All she says is that her father almostloss all of his leg. She does not confirm that it was via a motorcycle accident and he didn't even lose the leg. Even the phrasing is hard to confirm what she is saying. Did he almost lose it, but end up keeping it? Did he almost lose all of it, but only lost up to the knee? Was it just badly broken with the threat of amputation? How it happened is never clarified.

Like I said before - My grandfather lost both his legs completely and my father lost the use of his legs. Both hits according to your standards.

As far as white cars go - 19% of all cars sold in North America were white. Pretty safe bet as far as cold reading goes. Everyone has either owned or knows somebody who owns a white vehicle or had a cable/telephone guy approach their house in a white service vehicle. Something is going to register.

This thread is fun. No hard feelings, CD. I'm enjoying the discussion.

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I may not believe in ghosts, but I salute you for being persistent and staying in a good-natured mood in this "hot kitchen".

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Sorry, I just can't help but think of Ghostbusters when I see the stuff about book stacking.

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I do not think it works that way, we can only report the information we recieve...

I am not good at this, but I will try something though...

A house... 150-200 meters to the east is a highway... 3? lanes each direction.. beyond that... a bit south there isn't much houses there. The area directly around the house I see is much denser but there is a field or meadow or something southwards about 50-100 meters...? I think the field or what ever it is is about three quarters of a kilometer in circomfrence, kind of rectangular divided by trees into smaller areas...

To the north and west of the house is a lot of homes... I get a number, 15? do you know the place?

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I'd agree to a reading over MSN some evening, and CD's brother will get his wish: I promise to not volunteer information, and I also promise not to lie or mislead CD's brother during any such reading, or during the dissection of the transcript afterwards. In that way, CD's brother's claimed ability, during this trial, would be permitted to stand or fall entirely on its own merits.

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Neverfly, you have much more patience than me, going through the post like that...

Cosmicdave, will you admit at least that your brothers reading was pretty random - he jumped around and a no point did he attribute names to specific people. Your subject did all the association for him. When she gave you her husbands name, your brother thought that was her grandfather. Your description of the reading is clearly showing your bias in this matter.

Your're not a hoax believer too, are you?

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This is how cold reading works:



M: asking if you have something wrong with your left ear area?

LE: I've had several ear infections that have in the past ruptured my eardrum.

M: 'why dont you wear your glasses?'


I can read without them. I only need them for driving/to see far.

M: hehe, you just need a trendy pair

yeah mine are like 6 years old!

M: you have a scar on your nose? near the bridge

Inside, yes. From so many nosebleeds. Needs to be cauterized.

M: you know somebody called Jackie

Yeah she's a friend of mine from the internet.

M: also the name Ray

One of my ex-boss' names was "Ray"

he is either getting a stephen or stephanie? steven?

One of my good friends during high school was named Steve!

M: Roger

That was another boss of mine! he was a strange guy. How did you know his name?

M: and there is some type of anniversary in the month of May


Yes! My uncle's anniversary is in May!

M: something about a black cat, have you got one?


My sister had a black cat named Duncan!

M: k, quite long furred around his face

He looked like a bat sometimes!

M: are the tiles in your kitchen a sort of white cream colour?

The backsplash is and the tiles in the bathroom are.

M: thats where he sees the cat, by the fridge

He used to jump to the top of the fridge.

M: green eyes

Yes! and they were triangular irises! I have green eyes too!

M: what does the number 19 mean?

That is when we met my long lost sister!

M: in march? or spring time


Yes it was after winter and before summer!

M: a man with a beard - a grandfather figure?

My grandfather always had a beard

M: you have a photograph of him sitting on something like a wall or a fence? or there is a photo of him doing that?

I also have a photo of him sitting in a chair or other flat surface that could be used as a chair. And he is also either inside or outside.

M: white coloured building and water

His house was white. And his water heater broke that year!

M: has he got a black and white dog like a collie or similar?

He had a black lab!

M: k, he is married?

He was married to my grandmother! How did you know?

M: hehe he was just about to say that his wife wasnt very tall

Neither was he hahah.

M: he didnt know X

Really weird.

M: have u had your appendix out? or in that region

They thought my appendix went bad but it turns out I'd just eaten too much cheese!

M: is it sort of like a C shaped scar? or a J

I have a large "L" shaped scar on my chin! How could he have known? L looks like a backwards J!

M: k, left hand index finger theres a scar just below the knuckle

It is more than safe to say my entire hands are scar-covered.

M: what does a red rose mean to you?

My girl loves roses

M: your kitchen door sticks - the one that leads outside

Yeah when it gets humid it expands and sticks.

M: have u got turquise carpet somewhere? or close

There is turquoise in one of my throw rugs!

M: how else would he know what you have and who you know?

yeah its so weird how this applies only to me alone!

M: somebody has a bird??

My brother!

M: something to do with a small child, when you were younger?

I was one! And so were my friends!

M: he thinks you had a bird when you were younger

Yeah airplanes!

M: Is it about the size of a budgie with funny stripes?

It had red white and blue stripes on it

M: he is picking up a white car with red on it

Yeah our Tempo was white. Also I've worked on a lot of white cars. I worked on a white Corvette with red interior!

M: he says check the wheels are ok

M: back left

Yeah because he didn't have posi so the one tire was worn down more than the others like every other non-posi rear drive car!

M: hehe, theres something around the tyre which is red?

It was leaking tranny fluid which is RED! OMG!

M : its about an operation?


I want Lasik

M: what they are saying is dont expect to be up and about immediately - it will be a slow recovery. The operation will be successful but it will take a while for you to get back to normal


I've never been normal!

and so on ad nauseum.

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Okay, I'm pretty sure everybody on BAUT is familiar with this joke, because I've done it twice before, but...
I used to not believe in ghosts. Then I saw this picture.

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Whoever does the reading, I say we should get the BAUTer/readee and the brother/reader to each send a transcript of the IM session to different people. The two people can post the transcripts they each receive as a control.