I'd make the entire reading available, verbatim, to any who wants it. I'd post an analysis with formatting in this thread, but I'd provide a link to the raw, unaltered log. CD could choose to do the same if he feels I might have pulled something. Or not.

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You can see the footprints? Really? What type of telescope do I need to do that?

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No, but he did say she had something wrong with her left ear area which is correct. What if he said the right side? That would have been wrong and she would have told him so. Of all the information that could be given if you believe he is cold reading, would you first start talking about something wrong with somebodies ear area? I know I wouldn't. Would you be able to describe a picture in her possession that features a person that she asked about? Is that really cold reading? Would you be able to guess her first, middle and maiden name on the first try? Would you be able to give a date and it just so happens that its here wedding anniversary - he had 365 days to choose from and that was a direct hit. Could you describe her pet bird that had 'funny stripes on it.'???

Admit it, he didn't cold read. There are at least 14 questions that are specifically asked 'have you', not 'do you know somebody who.'

That is the difference between a proper reading and cold reading. If he were cold reading he would just have said 'Im picking up a person with', not specifically aske her.

If you actually knew anything about spiritual messages you would already know that sometimes messages come as symbols. So for instance, if you got the image of a daffodil, you might think of 'March or spring.' If you got the image of a person in a red dress, then you would say 'who wears a red dress?'

She may be 70, but she isn't senile. What ever way you wish to arrive at an answer to justify your belief, you are wrong. I have told you exactly what happened. It is me with the evidence and who is guessing. I know exactly the circumstances and what you say isn't correct. So taking all into consideration, the only probably answer that fits is that a poltergeist moved the books. If they fell off the shelf then they wouldn't have been neatly stacked.

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http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

There are several threads that talk about this (but it's been a while since I've seen one). There are no Earth-based or Earth-orbital telescopes that can resolve the leftover Apollo hardware, much less the footprints. At least not yet.

Well, the cameras used by the astronauts had telephoto lenses from Apollo 15 onward, but there've been great photos of footprints as early as Apollo 11.

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You can see landing site footprints - areas of disturbed dust - in recent images from lunar orbiters.

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I wish you would stop saying this. Your evidence contradicts your conclusion.

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Uhhh...

He DID.
e.g.: "Something to do with a child..."
He did it over and over and over again.
No he didn't. Not at ALL.
He spat out some random number (19) and she related an event to it.
It wasn't a DATE until SHE made it into one.

He most CERTAINLY did NOT guess her First, Middle and Last name on the First try either!
Not even Close!!

Now you're just making stuff up... It's like "give em an inch and they'll take a mile."
Who knows what you're going to invent next.

Cosmicdave, I'm picking up on something here... I think I'm having a moment... umm... Are your eyes brown?

If he doesn't, but he has eye sockets, or the skin near his eyes is somewhere in the beige-brown range, you should count it as a hit.

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With smiling [faces] lyin' to ye' everywhere ye' go
Turn to, and put out all your strength of arm and heart and brain
And like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again.

What if he had said the right side? We can’t know, but based on the rest of the feed back I would guess that she would find something to relate to it. And yes, if I were cold reading I would refer to “area’s” as this allows the subject to use their own discretion regarding how to determine it. Head area, chest area, stomach area, etc. Ear area would allow me to still appear somewhat specific while still allowing for the subject to interpret. Would I describe a random picture and allow her to run with it? Sure.

She counted her ex husband as a grandfather figure to her. That doesn’t strike you as somebody looking for confirmation? Having a picture of him next to a fence is a surprising hit? Somebody she was married to for 10 years and she has a picture of him next to a fence / white building. I’m shocked.

I would throw out a random number and expect her to find something significant to associate it with. Once I know what that specific event, I’d run with it. He said 19. He did not have 365 days. He had at least 12 out of 365 and that doesn’t factor in all the other things that 19 could apply to. Once I have an event, I know that weddings are very popular in the spring and fall – so it’s a coin flip.

He said, “something about a bird?” She supplied the type of bird and then he said what it looked like after she told him what type of bird.

Admit it – no matter what he said – the subject would have found something in her life to relate it to.

This would also be the same thing as free writing. We used to do this exercise in English in school where we’d write whatever came to mind for five minutes or so. Many random things can enter your mind. Anyone can relate to those things when presented. Another poster went through the entire cold read and made it relate to their life. I’ve already stated that many of the items relate to me as well. They are generic.

Once doesn’t have to be senile to forget that they did something in a rush. I came home today and the bedroom ceiling fan was on. Was it a ghost? No – the buttons are close together so either somebody turned the light off and fan on at the same time or it was just left on by my wife. I wouldn’t expect it to be remembered. If they remembered that it was on before they left, they would’ve turned it off. I don’t believe it was on when I left, but I can’t say for certain.

It is you with anecdotal stories. As Neverfly has stated many times – anecdotal stories are not evidence. Taking all the facts of the story as relayed into consideration, the only possible answer is that someone stacked the books there and forgot they did it.

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"Texas sharpshooting." See where it hits, then someone draws a bullseye around the bullet hole. So much the better if you can get the victim to do it. In cold-reading, you say something vague to a chatty victim, let him/her make whatever connection he/she can, then swear-to-your-grave that's what you'd meant all along.

"Shotgunning." Throw out many guesses, as quickly as possible, until the victim responds to something, anything.

As an aside, for general interest, it has been known for some victims (particularly true of true-believers) to agree to verifiable false guesses to keep the "psychic" from getting embarrassed in public. Any way you slice it, if the victim so much as twitches, you score it a hit and move on. By the time someone has an opportunity to call you on it, everybody else has forgotten.

And if you can't get any sort of affirmative response from the victim, you drop the line of guesses entirely, move on, and count on confirmation bias to wipe it all away.

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With smiling [faces] lyin' to ye' everywhere ye' go
Turn to, and put out all your strength of arm and heart and brain
And like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again.

I'm sensing your address CD. Would you like to confirm the hit?

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Brilliant. I sense the same thing.

I'm getting the letter "L" as well.

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And thats exactly what my brother said ' lost part of a leg.' Boy oh boy, you even reprinted that quote yourself and couldn't see it. I have never owned a white car and how many of those white cars have red near the tyres or a bald tyre, specifically on the back left side?

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http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

The only problem with that reading is that I now realise that there is another post on this forum where somebody says exactly where I live. I even posted a picture of a hillside over a motorway bridge that is near my house - so you could have read details from the other post or even looked on Google which would pretty much give you a good idea of the area I live in.

You are correct with the house number though which isn't on this forum, even if you haven't had a go at the other 2 questions asked.

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http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

It doesn't matter how many. He didn't ask all that specifically nor in one go.
He drew all that information out of her- and then pretended to have known it from the beginning.

I think Cosmicdave should read my lengthy response to his brothers "reading" me. It was all so amazingly accurate. Also Cosmicdave needs to look up cold reading and understand it. His example was and will always remain a classic example of a cold read. Somewhat clumsy one but then I'm not that good at them either.

Cosmicdave - did you not see how my answers to your brothers questions fit perfectly too? How could he have hit all of those things with ME when all I did was cut and paste his questions?

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Okay, I retract my rectraction. cosmicdave, the quote from the original post is below. Answer this question:

Where does she confirm that she was married on the 19th day of the month? Why can it not possibly be her age when she married?

Two things, looking back at this: She says she divorced ten years later (before the month gets mentioned). Was that 10 years later to the day, or was that 10 years later, when she was 29 years old? Also, someone (Spock?) was pointing out that she was trying to give him answers to the questions asked. Notice how she parrots back "march or spring time"

I believe you, Moose, and I trust you. We are already pretty much down to playing a game of "he said-she said," and my suggestion was to try to avoid this type of thing in the volunteer reading. But y'all can do it however you want.

Wrong. Something was wrong with her jaw, not her ear.

Her answer was actually ‘I had to have jaw surgery re done in front of my left ear very close to my ear.’

Wrong. He did NOT say it was a date at all!
He through the Number 19 out there.

Throwing a random number out there to someone who is going to ponder about IF it has significance or not makes a very easy hit!

First of all he was told the number 19 by spirit and then the time of year. He asked what the number 19 meant and then correctly told her the month. If you believe he was cold reading then he could have picked any one of 11 other months or any day for that matter.

A wolf is not a Collie. At All.

What he actually said was ‘has he got a black and white dog like a collie or similar?’
What dog is the nearest looking to a wolf? A collie is very similar and she said it was ‘part wolf’ not completely wolf.

Not a hit, it was easy to surmise after she described him in detail and then said she was his wife at one time- then pretend to have been ABOUT to comment she wasn't tall. It looks cool, but she had already given a hint in that direction.

Remember that I was the one typing the questions that he was telling me. My brother was talking to me as I was typing and was saying that his wife was short at the same time as she was typing her reply.

Wrong. Mentioned the scar AFTER she told What Kind of Surgery.
Incidentally, most women do have scars on their bellies. (Don't ask me why I know that )

He correctly said she had her appendix out and also said the shape of the scar.

Ok... But she did not confirm the location of the scar. Most peoples hands also have scars on them, mine are practically scars with fingers.

Working mans hands yes – women, unlikely. He told her the location and she agreed. She doesn’t have to repeat his description in parrot fashion. She agrees.

Again, the problem here is that she doesn't confirm the location. Very few kitchens have sliding doors, but it is common that one will be next to the kitchen, in the dining room. Martin was thinking of a Kitchen Door, not a dining room slider.

Actually she does, she says that the kitchen door that goes to the outside sticks.

Wrong.
Here is what was in the transcript:
Quote:
***something to do with a small child, when you were younger?

like what ???

HAHAHA I love it! She said, "Like What?" That's a clue right there.
He then tried to tie the bird to her own childhood- and got lucky.
After that- is this:

This is a simple case of her not exactly knowing his question or not wanting to give away any leads.

He didn't know what she was asking. Threw out the cold read guess (Which is a logical one, Most people would react and feel like they've had a lot of bad luck in life) But it missed. It wasn't what she meant. He then- Changed The Subject!

Actually, that was me who asked that question. Remember that I was the one at the keyboard.

Wrong on three counts.
1.) He said red Somewhere ion the vehicle. He said car- but she said it was a pick up
2.) Now that the topic went to tires- he tied the red to the tires.
There are two colors used for writing on used tires- Red or White. New tires- Blue. He knew that the tires were Not new- and had already said red. Got lucky.
3.) he said to check the tires- this is open ended and could mean ANYTHING- she instantly related that to a tire that has no tread.

The transcript actually first says ‘he is picking up a white car with red on it’ then it says ‘there is something around the tyre which is red.’ Over here in England we don’t have red writing on our tyres. The writing is usually just imprinted in the tyre – no colour. The only coloured writing I have seen on tyres over here is white. He specifically says ‘check the wheels – back left’ before she even comments.

Wrong.
He blindly threw out a name and she related to it.
One of the influential Teachers in My Life- English teacher named - Mr. Roberts. Relating to a random name is easy.

But it wasn’t her teachers name was it – it was actually her maiden name. Go look in the phonebook and walk up blindly to somebody in the street and see if you hit lucky with one of those names. I don’t know anyone called Roberts.

He missed that one though. Blew right passed it and tried again though. This time More Cautiously without trying to specify a person. ("Something to do with...")

How many people have an aunt alice or alica? That’s a rare name nowadays. And he specified aunt – not ‘who is alice?’ Many spirits talk at the same time – they line up for messages – that’s why sometimes you get a slight mispronunciation of the name. Remember my earlier post regarding how he first wrongly pronounced ‘Morris’ and was corrected by the spirit to say ‘Maurice’ ?

Another "Something to do with 'this name' question.
He guessed she was big.
She said No.
Then she changed that answer to "kinda"

Incorrect – she said ‘yes big lady, wears flowered moo-moos, moo-moos are dresses here’

You asked a side question to ensure that she's feeling emotionally responsive to your 'read'.
She misunderstood- and Brought up her ideas about Butterflies. This demonstrates that your inadvertent question still led her to 'be obliging' and find a significance to the question.

No – sometimes my brother picks up the physical conditions of people. I have known him to be in a circle and feel the symptoms of a heart attack when communicating with a spirit who has passed with that condition. I have also known him to get the taste of blood in his mouth when somebody comes through who has been involved in a road accident.

Ok.
But I know four people that have been in morotcycle accidents AND one of them ALSO injured his left leg very badly- and this was just a matter of weeks ago.
A right handed rider Usually falls to the LEFT when they slide out on a bike. This puts the left leg in danger. So a very simple read on that one too.

I don’t get your logic on this one because you guys drive on the right, so therefore any impact from oncoming traffic would come from the left and push you to the right. Now if you were in England then your logic would be correct.

Who hasn't this happened to?
A LOT of these questions, I can relate to Just as Easily as she can.

Me for starters

So? I know people in Anchorage. My housemate went on a Cruise Ship to Anchorage. Again, random thrown question that she found significance for.

So thats fine then because he was doing a reading for her and this was significant to her.

WHO is Ray?
This STRONGLY indicates he threw out a random name. If he knew her middle name, he wouldn't of asked who Ray was.
There are many of these in the transcript that you have not included here in this post I'm replying to, where he asks about a random name, she mentions an insignificant person, and he breezes on by it.

A medium such as my brother will get constantly bombarded with messages from many spirits during a reading, not just one. To give you an example, when we went to see Derek Acorah (the UKs most popular medium), he said that there were more spirits with him on the stage than there were people in the audience. So put yourself in his position. You have many people trying to come into your space to give a message, all shouting at the same time. You pick up names and give them out because before long more messages will be given and you want to keep up.

Please give credit where credit is due. He got this womans complete maiden name – even a rare middle name. Not to mention the whereabouts of the scars on her body or the unusual bird she used to own. He also very accurately described a picture with a specific person in. And lots more besides.

Wrong.
He said check the tires, SHE said one tire was bald. She could have said ANYTHING about the tires, or just checked them later wondering...

He specifically said ‘check the wheels – back left’ She didn’t say anything about the back left tyre being bald before he gave her this information.

Wrong. Sliding door adjacent.

Nope – kitchen door that leads outside. Doesn’t matter whether that door is a door or a sliding door – it is still a door and she acknowledged that it led outside as he had said.

So? I know four of them. Plus- he did NOT lose the leg.

My bad – he actually said ‘do you know somebody who was in a motorbike accident? maybe lost a part of their leg?’

Wrong, he threw the name out there and SHE said it was her closest friend. He gave no indication that he knew that.

And why would he?

Wrong. He said "Something about a child"
He then turned that INTO her childhood when the question didn't produce a hit. Knowing that she had a bird now- he asked if she had one as a child. She described the bird.

His answer was developing as I typed it. He got the strange stripes on the bird before she even told him. Why didn’t he just pick a budgie or canary if it was cold reading? What you forget is that this was a live situation.

Wrong. He asked about a name- she related that name to her grandmother. He gave no indication of knowing who the name belonged to or why- Like asking who RAY was only to find it was her middle name. Throw a random name and see if it's familiar in some way.

And what about the name Ging? Is that common too? Whether names were asked with no reference – she could relate to ALL of them. Not one question asked during this reading came back blank. Cold readings are hit and miss – they are never 100% accurate.

In bits and pieces, scattered across the conversation by throwing out random names. Dead- WRONG.

Do you think a cold reader could guess your whole name within a 30 minute reading without asking any questions?

Please take my challenge and guess my middle name and door colour.

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There are several of us who do believe in UFOs and who have had occasion to see a UFO on the ground, or from an airplane. There was only one occasion from space which may have been a UFO."

Gordon Cooper, Astronaut (Mercury-Atlas 9, May 15, 1963; Gemini 5, August 21, 1965), Col. USAF (Ret); letter to Granada's Ambassador Griffith at the United Nations, November 9, 1978

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

Has anybody else noticed that cosmicdave is the only one who has indicated a belief in ghosts?

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Gordon Cooper, Astronaut (Mercury-Atlas 9, May 15, 1963; Gemini 5, August 21, 1965), Col. USAF (Ret); letter to Granada's Ambassador Griffith at the United Nations, November 9, 1978

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

Wow, that thing is long.
ugh... Ok

Gonna try it...

..and mediums. He's trying to support his belief in ghosts by pointing to mediums. Rather like backing up a UFO sighting with a crop circle.

Neverfly - not worth it, nothing new there.

Cosmicdave, we've been over this several times already. Do you have any other examples of you brother performing a reading?

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Can you reproduce any pictures of yourself sitting on a wall, with a white building in the background and water? Didn't think so - its too specific isn't it.

Again, remember this is 'on the spot' mediumship. He didn't have time to ponder the answer.

That is an absolute misquote of the facts. He said that it had funny stripes and then she went on to say that he was right and that it was a rocky mountain bluebird. She didnt mention the stripes before he did. We dont have a clue what such a bird looks like - it is not native to England.

Nope - lets relate the answers to myself. I dont know a marjorie, ray, ging, somebody who lost their leg in a motorcycle accident, have a picture of a person sitting on a wall by a white building and water, a white vehicle with red marks on the tyres, need to wear glasses, have a sticky kitchen door, turquoise carpet, a friend called julie, a bird with stripes on it, a black cat or know of anyone related to me who has an event on the 19th of March.

So, if you take me as the average for a cold reading - the vast majority of answers given do not fit my situation.

That event happened in your own home. You would turn that fan on every day, as would somebody switching on the TV. Repetition sometimes means that you forget if you remembered to do that action on certain days, like 'Did I remember to lock the door?'

How many times a day, week, year do you take books off your bookshelf and stack them on your bed?

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http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

Having read "again" that conversation , I am having a headache already.

That is the nth revision of Cosmicdave words.

I'm sorry cosmicdave, but everytime people nitpick and scrutinized your "Example" , you have excuses .

Words are WORDS . Everyone here can say things like that and change the words every single time.

Neverfly, it's not worth it.
It's like chasing the wind.

Cosmicdave, you have said enough with your "say-so stories" . These people keeps on trying very Hard for you to Provide "Documented" Facts not "Stories".

Is the Rocky Mountain Bluebird striped? All pictures i've found are various shades of uniform blue. The Western one looks a bit like a Robin - no stripes. Anyone have these in their Gardens?

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Have you ever used MSN? Has the person on the other end ever written another reply before you can answer? I think that is exactly what you see here. She answered by saying she got married - then wrote she got divorced 10 years later, before I could reply to her original claim.

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http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.

Mate - I could fill 2 books up with my own and my brothers paranormal experiences. Its a weekly occurance.

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http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk - Europe's biggest UFO database.