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Since it looks like my question here might be taking the discussion away from that thread, I thought I'd try to head off a derail at the pass.
Plus; I can see a lot of people chiming in on this subject. Basically; It started with [sic] being used on UK spelling. I am curious if there were any tried and true guidelines to [sic] usage.
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It just means "thus", and it's deployed to draw attention to any usages or spellings in quoted text which the person doing the quoting finds unusual: it can be a non-standard turn of phrase, a mistake in spelling or grammar, or anything else that the quoter wants to flag as a genuine part of the original text, and not something arising from misquotation.
I suppose one could use it when quoting a body of text with different spelling conventions from one's own text, but it's not customary, since reader and writer are expected to understand what's going on; likewise with archaic spelling. In fact, by adding "[sic]" in such circumstances, you run the risk of suggesting to readers that you just don't understand that what you've marked is acceptable and standard spelling. Grant Hutchison |
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so am i reading this right grant, that there would be no issues with the usage of [sic] if the person who is quoting a poster finds an unusual spelling (proper English or otherwise), wrong spelling, or to highlight an error like if the poster used the word "tokillya" in place of "tequila". I would guess that that the usage is nothing more than an indication that the quoted material has been reproduced verbatim from the quoted source and is not an error in transcription. is this sort of right?
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Some folk use it as a weapon, to highlight the errors of others or to show off their own erudition. It's a two-edged sword, however. I've just read a piece of journalism that quoted (from a politician's memoires), "his just deserts [sic]". Oops. The journalist is mistaken if she thinks that's mistaken or unusual. Quote:
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I didn't know Gloria was sick...
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i remember well...i was sic in transit one glorias monday, on my first ever flight, as a child. oh that brown bag! i thought i was rather proud of that feat!
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(on the bus, too!...just like Ben and Elaine in The Graduate)
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clear skies If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. CARL SAGAN Mak: Pass the pepperoni please. Fazor: "Hail, Bautainia! We pledge our hearts to thee! Science and woo, some babbling too, and astron-oh-meee!" slang: And it made ash out of yew and tree. Last edited by mahesh; 10-November-2008 at 05:56 PM.. Reason: spellings/links |
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It is easy to be under the impression that "sic" means "error", but it only means, "I didn't make an error copying this part--now the printer who gets this after me is a different story...."
An example usage that is not pointing to an error but is still useful: On Avalon, they fished for samlon [sic].
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b....limey td, saucy, eh?
It was Samlon [sic] Gurndi, afterall?!....
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Isn't the original question just whether it's appropriate to use "sic" to point out UK spelling? I'd say it's not a good idea; just makes it sound like you've never heard of that spelling.
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I, for one, routinely fix errors made by people I'm quoting on BAUT, especially to star out swear words.
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It's been an interesting discussion. Carry on.
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MAPNUT, I would imagine that your reference to the word sic's usage is exclusive to UK or English english, may be mistaken.
Its usage predates its use in the english language. old as the hills..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic
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The same thing is liable to happen if a British writer marks up US English spellings. Grant Hutchison |
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Rereading slowly, MAP..'s post, you are right Grant. Sorry MAPs...
Ok, but there again, it shouldn't be UK...could be referring to any unusually spelt english word/s from any source. Should it?
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It's a general rule, really. Before you deploy "[sic]", you need to be sure that there is indeed something unusual there, worthy of comment. Otherwise you can end up just looking dumb, like my journalist with her "just deserts [sic]". Grant Hutchison |
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I get it. I am not much exposed to regular, everyday, heavy American reportage, to appreciate/get alarmed about frequent use of sic. Pardon me.
yes, i appreciate.... "just deserts [sic]"., that is funny. But it happens in the UK too. Careless Miss Spellings. Deserving of a bucket of flours
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I have been tempted to quote texts where authors inserted a [sic] in an ignorant way thus:
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British spelling is easy: add a 'u' here, reverse an 'er' there...
Nowadays, sic seems to mean 'yeah', or 'sure'.
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![]() sic and sicut are different. Sic means "thus" or "so!" while sicut means "as" in a comparison. erat in principio sic: "that's what it was like in the beginning" (poor Latin) sicut erat in principio et nunc et semper et in saecula saeculorum: "as it was in the beginning, is now and ever will be, in all eternity" As stated above, [sic] can be used in citing sources containing typos, which one wants to quote verbatim, pointing out that the error is in the original. Also as stated above, it can be used in quotes which use an unusual form of a word, which might otherwise be seen as a mistake or you yourself are using an unaccustomed word/spelling/phrase and want to express "leave it that way, that's what I want. It should be used with restraint. Usually putting a single phrase in quotations (e.g.: he said it was "fablilously") or using a footnote will do. As for using [sic] on the internet, a braindead admin I know (from another forum) uses phrases like "it's bigger and more greater." A [sic] after "more greater" would fit there very well.
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