Swat Team conducts food raid in rural Ohio

Please comment on this as it has a lot of knickers in a serious twist.

I have a question about that last sentence. What is a commercial farm, if it isn't where meat or milk are sold? What distinction is being made there? Do they mean large commercial establishments? Or do they exclude "casual" sales?

Sounds like a lot of hearsay and supposition to me. What's the source on the OP?

The URL of the website belonging to Manna Storehouse, the outfit that got raided.
http://www.mannastorehouse.com/

Link to the story in an Ohio Newspaper
http://www.morningjournal.com/articl...s/mj309059.txt

There are small family farms with just a few heads of cattle and there are very large AG businesses that slaughter hundreds of thousands of animals. There are also people who just keep a few chickens and a family garden out back. This is a co-op that sells stuff from small farms run by families that do not go through typical government channels, like the Amish. The small concerns fear being squeezed out by big AG business and outfits like Monsanto.

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Sounds like nonsense to me. Perhaps if the OP posted the source of the story so the facts could be checked.

"In the 1970s, with the rise of the organic food industry (a direct outgrowth of the hippie back-to-nature movement) food coops started up all over the country. These were groups of people who freely associated for the purpose of combining their buying power so that they could order organic food items in bulk and case lots."

Which says a lot to discredit the entire industry of "organic farming". Started by the drug addled hippies. Any first year chemistry student will tell you that the word "organic" has been corrupted from its original meaning. Simple hydrogen/carbon compounds. All food is "organic".

So has the word "natural" been corrupted by this new age nonsense. "Chemicals" has a bad connotation...to the point where the dihydrogen monoxide gag is shown to be one of the best ways to expose the lack of common sense and critical thinking in today's dumbed down populace, who learn everything they know from television...which is the most corruptive influence on today's society.

This one is pretty simple:Stowers get in touch with ACLU. ACLU tears Ohio a new superfluous orifice. ODA goes away.

I stopped reading after the 'news' story launched into opinion and hyperbole, which was right off in the first paragraph. This is clearly from a biased source.

Opinion pieces are fine and serve their purpose, but I think it's best to get the facts first.

From that link:Hundreds of pounds of beef? Is that one cow?

I'm not comparing in high scrutiny copies of so much text, but I suspect (again, not confirmed) the original blog commentary came from:
True Discernment blog

I think, maybe, that blog borrowed in whole from another blog:
The Bovine: ODA “swats” Manna Storehouse Co-op

(Edit: During another scan just now I find The Bovine blog borrowing, too, from comments in The Complete Patient blog. This is a sad case of bloggers quoting bloggers quoting comments on blogs, quoting anonymous comments, all masquerading as journalism. Someone should make a case study of this convoluted mess.)

I think (initial impression) that blog borrowed heavily words from print-journalism source:
(Northern Ohio) Morning Journal: Local food cooperative searched by state.

Edit: And while I was off following that trail, the copied text in the OP was replaced by a link to a source, so that probably takes care of the origin (and the copyright issue).

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Reading your post , I wander if I am not going to watch It again , instead of reading such rant !

Ah.... no. The usual (scientific) meaning is 'compounds containing carbon', with a caveat that salts such as carbonates don't make the cut. Simple hydrogen/carbon compounds would be hydrocarbons, a small subset of organic chemistry.

Maybe they add more elements the second year.

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Somewhat contradictory; were there two visits?

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I think that the organic coops are concerned about pesticides and antibiotics in food animals, which have been known to cause harmful side effects. "Organic" generally refers to the not-using-pesticides or using natural deterrents such as other plants. Growing potatoes with cabbages is one method of keeping down pests with out adding chemicals.

I tried to be thorough with out bogging you down with links...

Text is good, but so are links. We eat'em up like cranberries.

Around here, links are a good thing.
I was fascinated by what you posted, speaking for myself.

I would already have been all over this thread, had my attention elsewhere not cut down on my posting around the rest of the board.

Without reading anything other than the comments and quotes here, it sounds like they where someone who tried claim they didn't sell food products and thus didn't come under the auspices of the food and health inspectors, but the authorities though they did sell food products and with a proper search warrant came to see for themselves, found lots of food products which would tend to corroborate the suspicion and therefore (as allowed by the warrant) confiscated such things that could document if such sales had happened.

Basically it sounds like someone who, possibly for ideological reasons, believe that food handling regulations are there to protect big business rather than to protect the people who eat the products and therefore didn't want to be inspected but still wanted to sell produce.

I honestly have to say that in this case I tend to sympathize with the inspectors.

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In the UK to be sold as Organic food should have the Soil Association mark on it.

Any commercial concern has to be covered by DEFRA regulation.

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which prompts me to ask why didn't it appear to be valid?

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No answers found yet. Apparently, the government is not presenting their side of the story to the press.

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Not only that, but why is warrant in quotes?

I haven't even seen questions yet, in fact nothing in any of the Cleveland oulets that I have seen.
Many parts of Lorain county are considered Greater Cleveland, and the county is in the Cleveland market.
Something tells me that it's not as bad as the blogs are indicating. I think any execution of a search warrant would scare the bejeebers out of anyone, so maybe this is too one sided to tell.

Now; that doesn't mean the ODA isn't pulling a fast one. The only part of this story that doesn't make sense to me is why there was no response to any of the inquiries. I would start there. Otherwise, this could be considered entrapment.

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For what it's worth, I haven't heard/seen anything about this either; though you're closer to it than I am.

Also, for what it's worth, I haven't ever heard of rampant abuse by the ODA; though personally I only have minimal contact with farmers (we insure farms). My father knows a lot of farmers, and I have yet to hear a single "That darn ODA!" story from him, though that really doesn't mean much.

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"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

And I consider mid-OH to be more farmland than NEO. (although not as much as the western part). So, along with being the capital, I would think Agri-news is big in Columbus.
(Somehow I always pictured Les Nesman as more of a Columbus man than a Cinci-guy)

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Suprisingly, not usually much Ag news on the local tv stations; they tend to only care about metro columbus (kinda annoying, particularly when you live like 10 min away yet they don't bother to inform you of the overturned semi that's going to make your evening commute 2 hours longer...but I digress).

MY community is what's left of a major farm area (still a lot of farms, but the city itself is a half-dead city like most in rural ohio); so we do have a lot of older families that have been in farming for generations. We have a good number of farms insured, but we have even more contact with people who are still into farming or related to someone in farming in one way or another. I've never heard much griping about the ODA; but I never ask.

I tend not to bring up farming, because people here assume you're from that background and since I'm not; I never have any idea what they're talking about. I don't need help looking stupid Plus, I try to avoid the "city slicker" image, as it hurts business (and I'm far from a "city slicker"; but 'round here it's easy to get labled as that).

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything! 14% of people know that!"

SWAT? I do not see anything about SWAT in the article. It sounds like a Department of Agriculture inspector made an inspection and found some problems. The owners are questioning this and the local Prosecutor and the Health Department are looking into it.

It sounds like the various blogs are trying to blow this up into some kind of Gestapo raid.

I don't quite get it or have enough independent information to be alarmed.

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