How might we explain it in particle physics? Assuming that consciousness is some sort of property of the particle...

To fit with everyone's ghost story and the known stuff this is the best i can think of what it would have to be able to do

manipulate other particles
Within a certain type of situations maintain itself as a real particle for at least 120 years
Be able to pass freely through physical objects
Communicate and manipulate at long distances
Take in energy to manifest images.


Within known physics what might this be explained as? It seems to me that the soul might be a virtual particle of some sort...

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It can't be explained, yet.

Scientist who are working on the LHC (Particle smasher) have indicated that they are looking for the "God" or God particle.

One scientist when asked what they hope to achieve with this massive contraption explained that if we can see instantaneously images/video via satellites then why not actual people moving in this way. Sort of like teleportation, at least that is how I took his response.

I beg forgiveness that I don't know what news program aired that interview or which scientist was interviewed.

I am sure and I hope (if incorrect); I will be corrected.

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The Higgs boson is referred to as the God particle.

I think the soul cannot exist if the mind is entirely unconscious, therefore the soul is the projection of the consciousness.
But what is the mind made of or what is it?
Is it a projection or a mental state of the brain or a vibrational force of enegy?

A good article I found about consciousness, http://www.hameroff.com/penrose-hame...drophobic.html

If such a thing as a soul particle existed wouldn't it also fall into asking whether planets or stars have soul particles in them and thus have souls themselves? That's part of astronomy so :P

Well, no offense, Durakken, but I can´t see any science to this thread. Maybe we could find some Quantum Physics approach to it, in which case it should be in General Science.

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But has not been found yet? Is my previous assessment correct?


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I don't see the soul as part of religion. If it exists it is a part of science and there should be some explanation for it. Which means we should have some inkling of what a soul particle would be like. We're not talking about "after death" or any of the things that would be attributed to what the existence of a soul particle would mean on the scale of religion...just what would a particle that makes up a soul have to be like.

Why would it involve religion? Durakken asks, "If the soul existed". I think it can't be answered.

I know nothing about String Theory.

I think my post shows that if scientist think there is a possibility of teleportation (in my opinion, impossible), why not discuss how that could be possible, or am I hi-jacking this thread? Sorry Durakken, if I am. I will bail out then; your question brought me to the teleportation idea.

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I don't believe Durakken's post is an intent to start a religious discussion, but it may border on such when talking about souls, ghosts and the like. I would presume its a question on how a soul would be manifested in scientific terms. My guess if such a thing exists would be in the form of EM energy or such like. But it is just speculation and maybe a pointless exercise to continue discussing.

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The first hurdle would be to try and define what a soul is, and where it would apply. Does a tree have a soul? rocks? Only humans? That would be a good place to start I think.

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Yes that's one of my thoughts on teleportation as well. I don't mind being teleported in the way that may be possible if there is soul and it goes with it, but if there isn't wouldn't that just be suicide?

The soul has nothing to do with science. While I personally believe such exists, it would be foolish to suggest that it be considered by science as there is currently no evidence to suggest that such a theory is needed, helpful or useful in explaining current evidence or fact.

If something exists it is part of science, Halcyon.

You use the definite article 'the' as if everyone should know what you're talking about. What is a soul?

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So going yet another step farther, the "Soul particle", as Cosmocrazy expressed: "My guess if such a thing exists would be in the form of EM energy or such like." An interesting thought. Photons or light packets.

Would teleportaton be suicide without the soul?

I don't think it will ever be possible to be completely broken down (more or less vaporized) and be put back together correcly via teleportation. Call me crazy. It would be suicide regardless.

Is there science behind teleportation? I think there is or why would it be brought up in relation to the LHC?

But... Imagine being a cancer patient and going through teleportation and in the process all the cancer cells removed, you are reassembled cancer free. Their thinking has merit.

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This is a fallacy that that many tend to accept as true. However, it isn't the case. Science is the process of collecting fact and evidence and arranging it into models and theories that represent the whole. If there is no evidence, no fact, then science is obligated to reject.

The harsh truth is: Science must reject that which is true if there is insufficient evidence and fact to rigorously and logically prove it to be true. I would never want science to govern my life, but I want it to govern the process by which medications I may take are developed.

[and before I get jumped on, yes, I know that I am governed by gravity whether I want to be or not. However, my choice to believe in ghosts, the soul, etc. is a private matter of choice regardless of whether science accepts any of it as true]

So you're seeking an explanation for some hypothetical thing for which there is no evidence for its existence?

BTW, if God exists, then it is a part of science. If unicorns exist, then they are part of science. Shouldn't this existence question be addressed before bringing these things into a science discussion?

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We haven't proved there is alien life, but that doesn't stop people from speculating what they might be like and what is the likely hood of how often it occurs so I say no, but that should be looked at simultaneously.

No, but we do have a physical example of life that we can study. Alien life is an extension of that.

A soul is something purely "cerebral" (for lack of a better word). What if all our thoughts are just complete physical reactions (electrical, or something) and we just interpret them to be a soul? There's nothing to compare to, so there is nothing to base speculation on. Is there any other particle that controls other parts of our conscience that we can use as a control, or as a comparison? Is there any evidence of the existance of a soul other than pure "I think therefore I am" type of thinking?

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There is no explanation of consciousness so there is obviously no other thing that manipulates that.

Utter nonsense, unsupported by any science at all. Just stop this emotive unsupported by any facts nonsense now... just consider what it is you are suggesting... and this has nothing to do with the Higgs Boson particle the Large hadron Collider is looking for... and if 'they' find such, then what ? ghosts are real... NO. stop this rubbish here. Off topic babling...and nonsense.

It would also have to be measurable, which a soul isn't by any of the definitions/descriptions I've seen so far.

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Calling the Higgs boson 'the God Particle' has done a big disservice to science, as it allows for all sorts of misconceptions to arise. A very unfortunate choice of words.

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My take on this, if consciousness, ego, soul
is the electrical reactions in an adult mind
reacting to input stimuli, then someday an
electronic analogue is going to be built,
switched on and watched. It should have
input and output sound transducers, image
input (stereoscopic) and touchy/feely
devices. It should learn from the moment
of switch on until it has an intelligent
conversation with its builders (GET AWAY
FROM THAT SWITCH!).

Of course there are countless instincts and
control loops evolved in living entities
since the dawn of life. Try catching up
with them.

Hmmm... I hardly think the name "god particle" is seriously meant to indicate that this particle is concious or a god in any way, it seems more like one of those whimsical titles that the popular science press pounce on, and the public then procedes to interpret beyond the original scope.

Actually, it seems to me that there is a lot of strangeness in naming of stuff in quantum science, some of them seems to have little relation to what the word means in other fields or common use, for instance, the "color" of certain particles.

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Yes, sure. The problem is that an actual physicist has helped to spread the expression around.

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