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Old 08-June-2009, 08:13 PM
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I have a hazy memory of something from a philosophy class (or maybe I dreamed it). I'm hoping someone here will recognize it and remind me who it is.

The student goes through three stages:
1. defeat/overcome your parents - meaning, let go of your baggage
2. defeat/overcome yourself - meaning, do more than you thought you could
3. defeat/overcome your teacher - meaning, grow to the point that you can educate yourself.
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L. Ron Hubbard?
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wow, I hope not.
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Definitely Hubbard. He's my idol. He's also known for "e=mc^2" & "cogito ergo sum." If you don't believe me, then you need to talk to Hubbard. He'll tell you everything you need to know. He'll also tell you everything you don't need to know, unless he's already told you everything you do need to know, in which case you'll know that you already know what's needed and not needed to be known.
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Definitely Hubbard. He's my idol. He's also known for "e=mc^2" & "cogito ergo sum." If you don't believe me, then you need to talk to Hubbard. He'll tell you everything you need to know. He'll also tell you everything you don't need to know, unless he's already told you everything you do need to know, in which case you'll know that you already know what's needed and not needed to be known.
I avoided that most tasking of tasks simply by learning the vastly smaller sum of universal knowledge that wasn't Hubbard.
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I have a hazy memory of something from a philosophy class (or maybe I dreamed it). I'm hoping someone here will recognize it and remind me who it is.

The student goes through three stages:
1. defeat/overcome your parents - meaning, let go of your baggage
2. defeat/overcome yourself - meaning, do more than you thought you could
3. defeat/overcome your teacher - meaning, grow to the point that you can educate yourself.
Robert Heinlein? All the defeat/overcome stuff would fit. Last man standing and all that.
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That fits his philosophy, though I think Heinlein would have added a fourth:

4. defeat/overcome society - develop a way to get rich teaching others how to bring themselves through stages 1, 2, and 3.
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Love and rspect your Parents and cherish your teachers. You will learn much from them as they are the ones who will share the secrets of their successes as well as their faults. Only your great friends will share that gift.
Find the pearls in the sand. They shall serve you well.
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That fits his philosophy, though I think Heinlein would have added a fourth:

4. defeat/overcome society - develop a way to get rich teaching others how to bring themselves through stages 1, 2, and 3.
Hubbard did.
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Hubbard did.
Actually I think he was more of the "get rich getting others to think (narcisisticly pretend) they are bringing themselves through stages 1, 2, and 3.

The exact quote "the way to get rich in America is to invent a new religion"
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I found a website with the quote I was looking for:

http://www.online-literature.com/for...ad.php?t=16390

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you can not teach or learn wisdom, you must find it on your own, by way of your own path.

Buddha taught "kill your parents, kill your god, kill your teacher".
He always came back to the notion that you should not believe what anyone teaches you unless you have experienced it on your own and it makes reasonable sense to you.
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That was buddha? It sounds like the mantra of the hoax-believers.

The OP reminds me of Kohlberg's Stages of Moral Development
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