This should be a good salutory tale

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This reminds me of the TV show "Medium" which is supposed to be based on a real person. I can't watch more than 10 seconds at a time or I feel like throwing something at the TV. It is insanity to the core but yet people *believe*. And so it keeps happening.

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It's even worse trying to argue with someone who actually believes in that stuff.

*Ahem*

Most real mediums don't come forward to do this because the job is dreadful. That's why the people who do it well are special.

What do you think we are talking about here? Murder! Most of you would cry watching someone get a severe beating!

Why do you think they stick to predicting baby genders and lottery outcomes?



Thank you.

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In your rush to call everyone "entrenched" or closed-minded or "limited" you fail to note that the "limit" here has a very natural boundary: that point at which the evidence stops. - JayUtah

Science fiction was never meant to be an educational tool. - Editor Amazing Tales

I don't have a problem with them following up on the idea that there may be some question as to what happened. What I do have a problem with, is not investigating the lead itself. For instance, the part about the fuel and bleach. I wonder what the time span was between the "vision" and the verification.

It should have been taken the same as an unreliable witness. Sure; you look into what they say, but you also do a bit of investigation of the validity before going off on a wild goose chase.

What I would like to see is some kind of obstruction of justice or false testimony charge.

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Oh, my father was a catcher of murderers. He had an enormous amount of intuition. He was hard to pull a fast one on when I was a teen.

I realize on second read that my first post could be taken wrong.

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In your rush to call everyone "entrenched" or closed-minded or "limited" you fail to note that the "limit" here has a very natural boundary: that point at which the evidence stops. - JayUtah

Science fiction was never meant to be an educational tool. - Editor Amazing Tales

Heh, I was wondering, Don. I'd have said: "winning lotteries".

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Moose, real mediums and lotteries are tricky. The good ones will tell you what's best for you, not what you think you want. So if the money is going to bring you misery she will fudge the numbers.

(My mother was an astrologer and tarot reader. Who'd see that one coming?)

Thanks Sticks.




Edit to add: It drove Dad nuts. "Oh God, what are the witchs doing now?"

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I have psychic powers.

Seriously!

I hereby predict:

1. The sun will rise in the east tomorrow morning.
2. The sun will set in the west tonight.
3. Christmas will be celebrated on December 25.
4. There is no Santa Claus.
5. Next year is 2010.

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Very smart. They know that they don't really want all that money, so they don't win the lottery. They know that it will be bad for themselves, because they can see the misery it would cause. Their vision into the future is so perfect that they can't see any way to avoid the misery. They deliberately fail Randi's test, because Randi gives prize money! If Randi were smart, he'd rescind his prize. 'Course, just winning over Randi would cause misery enough, I'll allow, so I guess what Randi needs to do is announce that he'll continue to test but he won't divulge who won.

No, that won't work. Just knowing that Randi believes in psychics (if someone to succeed at his challenge) would cause a big run at psychic reading, and would cause misery to the psychic community.

Hasn't anybody explained all this to Randi?

Funny, I'd have predicted that Christmas will be celebrated on December 24.

But then here in Denmark it's Christmas Eve we¹ celebrate, not Christmas Day, and if you know your old roman calendar you'll know that we're celebrating the same day anyway, as they counted the day from sunset


1) General "we", I technically don't celebrate Christmas, I just participate in the feast and gifting, since I'll already have celebrated the solstice a couple of days before.

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Funny, on dec 24th I celebrate anything, because it is when I´m on summer vacations, and the mood is high as can be. I´ll be celebrating The Return of the Flying Cows this year.

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Well then you're two less people I have to buy gifts for.

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We sat and we dreamed a while...in that crystal thought time in Mexico. ~Donovan

I made a psychic prediction the other day. I was in the car with my mom when the Moon was rising and it looked huge and orange. I told her when she looked at it later, it would look smaller and whiter. And I was right!

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What do you mean there's no Santa Claus?

Looks like my christmas wish list is goin in the bin, and to think after all these years of setting out the mince pie and a glass of sherry, while I hid behind the sofa hoping to catch a glimpse of this magical person!

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Actually, forensic science is the application of a broad spectrum of sciences, including physics, to answer questions of interest to legal systems.

Most policemen are trained in the basics, but it's the criminal investigators who get the full dose. While this is true of big-city police departments, your average small town PDs and county sherrif's do not receive much training along these lines, which is why they turn to those who have for help.

LaurelHS:

cosmocrazy: Wow...I totally ruined it for you for all time? You should still set out the mince pie and glass of sherry (wow -- Santa really gets a treat at your house! ). Keep the faith and all that.

As for alleged psychics helping with criminal investigations, I've watched my share of programs devoted to that on TruTV (formerly Court TV), etc. None of the psychics claim they can step right up and see/tell *everything.* No absolutely crystal clear movie-like events running effortlessly through their minds. What they do seem (I said *SEEM*) to do is pick up on flashes of images, bits of voice, etc.

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Smoking on the seashell pipe the gypsies had made
We sat and we dreamed a while...in that crystal thought time in Mexico. ~Donovan

You should have seen it coming.

Seriously, (I have the impression that) the police have some kind of obligation to check out every lead. Even if the lead is bollocks, like those that come from so-called "psychics." Sylvia Brown, anyone?

Fred

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physics, mugs? ... has what part to play re psychics?

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Those who know more than I can verify this, but I don't think that's true. Every high-profile crime gets a huge number of obvious crank calls. One of the calls to the police the day after the Tate murders was "I think my husband did it, because he won't tell me where he was." That out of literally hundreds of calls identifying people who thought someone they knew did it. Not one of them actually connected the Manson Family to it. The police did not investigate that woman's husband.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

The police should hire the people at TV Guide to solve crimes. Their ability to predict what will be on television next week is nearly 100%. Their talents could be put to better use elsewhere.

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I don't understand this question. For one thing, ballistics has a heck of a lot to do with physics.
I can think of many more examples. Mugs did not say that forensics is physics.

In America, Christmas is celebrated from approximately October 17th to January 13. If the advertisements are correct.

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A Physic is a Psychic who can predict all your future movements.

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I'm reminded of a very long joke, told in the era of 1970s "buddy cop" dramas, in which the Chief of Police stoutly defends his department's use of psychics for all sorts of bizarre purposes, including making coffee and getting doughnuts.

The punchline is: "Psychics? I thought you said sidekicks!"

Grant Hutchison

Is it just me, or has there been an outbreak of dyslexia on this thread?

Grant Hutchison

or at least explain why your future movements won't be what they used to be ...


'nuff said ...

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I sit corrected, Gillian. So, the police get enough troublesome calls; they don't need psychics to muddy the waters any more and further waste their time.

And, Mugs has been granted leave of this board, so we'll never know if he misread psychics as physics.

Edit to add: My mistake.

Fred

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You're kidding, right? Ballistics, car vehicle impact/crash analysis, even analyzing blunt force trauma to the body.

It's all (and much more) the physics portion of forensic science.

As per Sticks' OP: "Detectives often claim they have a 'sixth sense' when it comes to solving crimes. But even the most diligent of officers would balk at the idea of launching a murder investigation based on a paranormal tip from a group of psychics."

Forensics is the science of solving crimes. Psychics are those who believe they can do so by means other than scientific.

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