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As this question, or something close to it, comes up often, in various sections of BAUT, I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread devoted to it.
First, some words on scope. This thread is primarily about the sets of observations, done by astronomers and others, which have lead to the idea of dark matter being fully accepted by the astronomical community. Of necessity, some theory will also need to be covered, particularly General Relativity and Newtonian dynamics. Two classes of 'dark matter' are somewhat tangential to this thread - 'hot dark matter' ('dark matter' which is, or was, moving at relativistic speeds; neutrinos are an example), and 'baryonic dark matter' (or 'ordinary matter' - atoms and molecules and ions of H, He, ..., whether in the form of plasma, gas, dust, or bigger clumps that does not emit detectable electromagnetic radiation; this also includes baryonic matter in the form of white dwarfs or neutron stars). Recently, a good, popular-level book on DM has been published by Springer-Praxis "In Search of Dark Matter", Ken Freeman and Geoff McNamara (ISBN 0-387-27616-5). |
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Non-baryonic dark matter is needed due to, for instance, graviational lensing surveys show that baryonic MACHOs aren't numerous enough, and other studies finding that baryonic WIMPs aren't numerous enough to account for the necessary DM to agree with Ken G's list above.
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I don't understand it well enough to explain it -- perhaps someone can step in here with a clear explanation -- but apparently specific information can be drawn from careful measurements of the CMBR to enable the following conclusion:
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Nereid said, "'hot dark matter' ('dark matter' which is, or was, moving at relativistic speeds; neutrinos are an example)"
I was under the impression that neutrinos have mass, is that correct? (and do we know how much mass? As much as an electron? Less?) Assuming that they do have mass, I must infer that by "relativistic speeds" you mean speeds approaching, but not reaching, c. Is that correct? I just want to make sure I`m clear on this... |
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This is probably a bizarre question, and I`m not trying to go off into woo-woo-land, but maybe someone could help me out with the following (and of course, disabuse me of any misconceptions I may be harboring). Photons have no mass, and travel at c, which is the fastest possible speed. Objects with mass are prohibited from ever reaching c, but would any massless particle (assuming others are found) necessarily move at c, or could massless particles possibly move slower in their own frame? (I understand that photons can be made to go slower than c in our frame, but in their own, they are still moving at c, right?) If so, do we have any idea why some massless particles would move at different speeds than others?
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The great attractor is probably a very massive galaxy cluster located where we can't see it behind Milky Way dust clouds. It is the explanation for why relatively local galaxies are having their velocities changed in that general direction.
There isn't a specific physical reason that it couldn't be explained by a large collection of purely non-baryonic dark matter, but so far we haven't ever seen something like that, so the odds seem pretty low.
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<<The great attractor is probably a very massive galaxy cluster located where we can't see it behind Milky Way dust clouds. >>
Where I was coming from was, if there's some unexplained huge mass in intergalactic space that we can't see, and if that is being explained by baryonic matter, how do we know in the depths of the universe there aren't super-great attractors, or indeed large numbers of difficult-to-detect minor great attractors? However, you seem to be saying it's just a line of sight problem, if we could see past our own milky way dust clouds, we'd be able to see it. Has anyone checked through distant galactic vectors to check for other great attractors? |
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KenG said, "Also note that it isn't true that photons move at c in their own frame, anything is at rest in its own frame if it has a frame, which massless particles do not (no observations can be made from the frame of a photon, so it is not an allowable frame for doing physics)."
d`oh. Thanks, I`m trying to learn to use the terminology correctly. |
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As somebody else already pointed out, you can come to a similar conclusion, based on gravitational lensing.
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The observational evidence for (cold, non-baryonic) dark matter can be grouped under the following headings (in the order I propose to address them):
- rich clusters (radial velocity dispersion of member galaxies, the Sunyaez-Zel'dovich effect, (strong) gravitational lensing, X-ray observations) - galaxy halos (weak lensing, derived orbits of luminous objects in or just outside) - (spiral) galaxy rotation curves - CDM in, and near, the Milky Way (really a subset of galaxy rotation curves, but because it's so local, I'll treat it separately) - poor clusters, galaxy groups (radial velocity dispersions, derived orbits of luminous objects in or near) - large-scale structure and the CMB (observations provide indirect support for CDM). If I have missed significant set of observations, that provide direct evidence of CDM, please add. |
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- excess heat emitted by the gas giants - positrons coming from the center of the galaxy
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